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iverglas

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33. why do you imply this is not true of other comparable countries?
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 04:39 PM
Jan 2012

It absolutely is true of Canada and the UK, for example.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/101026/dq101026a-eng.htm

Decline in gang-related homicides

Police reported 124 gang-related homicides in 2009, 14 fewer than in 2008. This decline was due mainly to a decrease in Alberta, where gang-related homicides dropped from 35 in 2008 to 13 in 2009.

Among the 10 largest CMAs, Winnipeg had the highest rate of gang-related homicides, followed by Vancouver. Police reported 30 gang-related homicides in Toronto, the most of any CMA. However, taking population into account, Toronto's rate per 100,000 population was third highest.

Firearm homicides down

Police reported 179 homicides committed with a firearm in 2009, 21 fewer than in 2008. In terms of rates, this was a 12% decline, reversing an upward trend recorded between 2002 and 2008. Prior to 2002, rates of firearm homicides had been declining since the mid-1970s.

Of the 179 firearm homicides, 112 involved handguns, 29 involved a rifle or shotgun and 14 a sawed-off rifle or shotgun. Declines were reported in all three of these categories in 2009.

Among the 10 largest CMAs, Vancouver and Toronto reported the highest rates of homicides committed with a firearm in 2009. Handguns remained the most common type of firearm involved in homicides in major metropolitan areas.


- Canada has a population roughly 1/9 the US
- legal purchase/possession of handguns in Canada is restricted to licensed sports shooters and collectors
- all of Canada's major urban centres have significant gang/drug problems (e.g. Hell's Angels at the importing, production and national/international distribution level, domestic gangs at the provincial/national level, local gangs at the street level, international gangs, e.g. Mexican and US, moving into specific areas)

Virtually all handgun homicides in Canada can be connected with gang/drug activity. Our gangs are not kinder and gentler than in the US. But they don't have as many handguns.
When in doubt, pile on ever more restrictions... SteveW Jan 2012 #1
Ah the gun laws in the western civilized nations rl6214 Jan 2012 #2
As for Benjamin Barnes, so for Michael Atherton. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #3
well, I'll say exactly what I said in the thread iverglas Jan 2012 #4
But let's be accurate. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #6
perhaps you would ask iverglas Jan 2012 #8
I will... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #11
I dunno iverglas Jan 2012 #12
As I expected... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #13
but not actually iverglas Jan 2012 #15
This is where any new work needs to start. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #27
And that "careful screening" will not occur, as firearms possession has now gotten... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #7
what is the basis for this repeated assertion? iverglas Jan 2012 #9
And efficacy can only be determined in retrospect, and reasonableness is subjective. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #30
round and round and round iverglas Jan 2012 #31
love your citation iverglas Jan 2012 #5
A law is only as effective as its enforcement Euromutt Jan 2012 #10
The police then need more oversight/and or funding. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #16
The police need more oversight, lest... lest what? Euromutt Jan 2012 #19
Lest they ineffectively enforce the firearms permitting laws. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #24
What's noteworthy about this story is that in England, this is actually a noteworthy story. DanTex Jan 2012 #14
+1000 ellisonz Jan 2012 #17
Can we say "post hoc ergo propter hoc"? Euromutt Jan 2012 #20
The "usual objections"... DanTex Jan 2012 #21
Simply put Dan.... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #22
Yes, facts are facts. DanTex Jan 2012 #23
I can make the distinction quite easily We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #25
How much of our murder rate is skewed by drug violence? hack89 Jan 2012 #26
why do you imply this is not true of other comparable countries? iverglas Jan 2012 #33
So lets fix that problem first - more bang for the buck hack89 Jan 2012 #34
a site that may be of interest iverglas Jan 2012 #29
more likely gejohnston Jan 2012 #18
I meant to say that iverglas Jan 2012 #28
There are options... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #32
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