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In the discussion thread: If gun control laws are so good [View all]

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 11:00 PM

samsingh (10,352 posts)

37. here's the interesting thing

when a gun control advocate finds a situation like Chicago except going the otherway, the argument from gun supporters is to question the correlation between the gun control legislation and the drop in crime.

what is the correlation, if there is one, between the gun control legislation and a hugely complicated city like Chicago? In fact, I would think that at one point there were lax gun laws and lots of violence. Gun control was probably brought in past a violence tipping point. This would be like waiting to bail water in a sinking ship, and then being told to put more water into the ship to make it stay afloat because the bailing isn't helping.

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91 replies	Author	Time	Post
If gun control laws are so good [View all]	guardian	Jul 2012	OP
Because	rrneck	Jul 2012	#1
They have also	Missycim	Jul 2012	#2
rudecitybigottoterspushersdeathmerchantsspewerstrawsellers	ileus	Jul 2012	#24
When was the last time you attended	Jenoch	Aug 2012	#66
I dont attend them	Missycim	Aug 2012	#68
So you have ZERO first hand	Jenoch	Aug 2012	#72
But how do you know	Missycim	Aug 2012	#73
Why would	Jenoch	Aug 2012	#90
LOL	xxenderwigginxx	Jul 2012	#10
Online Gun Sales	electedface	Jul 2012	#3
there is no ONLINE GUN SALE DEPARTMENT	alabama_for_obama	Jul 2012	#5
"Please know what you are talking about before"	guardian	Jul 2012	#9
the Brady Campaign?	gejohnston	Jul 2012	#11
I am guessing that you mean Constitution when you say Declaration	Hangingon	Jul 2012	#13
Still pushing your web site. Can you come up with another argument?	oneshooter	Jul 2012	#35
When the FF wrote the 1st Amendment	Jenoch	Aug 2012	#67
Ok, so I went to your link.	Jenoch	Aug 2012	#69
I have it on good authority...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Aug 2012	#70
gun control facts for you	samsingh	Jul 2012	#4
except for little old vermont	alabama_for_obama	Jul 2012	#6
50% of the world's private guns are owned in the US	samsingh	Jul 2012	#8
let's put that in context	gejohnston	Jul 2012	#14
You're missing a step there	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#15
The fact that other countries	Reasonable_Argument	Jul 2012	#16
i guess all the other nations are stupid and the governments will enslave the populations	samsingh	Jul 2012	#18
You take a very short view of history nt	Reasonable_Argument	Jul 2012	#20
Ummm three of those countries	gejohnston	Jul 2012	#22
Who does?	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Aug 2012	#65
Vermont's gun death rate is only exceeded by one state in their Northwest Region	russ1943	Aug 2012	#76
gun death or gun murder?	gejohnston	Aug 2012	#77
Can you read?	russ1943	Aug 2012	#83
I can read quite well	gejohnston	Aug 2012	#85
Your ability to read is still in question, quit digging.	russ1943	Aug 2012	#87
No, I went and closely the CDC table.	gejohnston	Aug 2012	#88
Seems then that we should have half the worlds violent crime	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#12
You say that like it's a bad thing.	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jul 2012	#57
Obviously if you have 80 million gun owners and 300 million firearms ...	spin	Jul 2012	#59
it's the mental state of people who own and use guns - beyond legislating really nt	msongs	Jul 2012	#7
i'd rather have a mental person have access to a club than a machine gun	samsingh	Jul 2012	#28
a "mental person" cannot legally own a machine gun now	guardian	Jul 2012	#30
apparently john holmes was already seeing a psychiatrist	samsingh	Jul 2012	#39
a judge did not declare him mentally incompetent	gejohnston	Jul 2012	#43
then there's the access to powerful weapons that can be used to massacre innocent people in a theatr	samsingh	Jul 2012	#44
I won't bore you with technical reasons	gejohnston	Jul 2012	#47
we would look at tightening up the protocols at Police Departments	samsingh	Jul 2012	#51
better start with LAPD	gejohnston	Jul 2012	#61
you're right about that.	samsingh	Jul 2012	#62
Not to mention that he did not	Jenoch	Aug 2012	#75
John Holmes	guardian	Jul 2012	#48
i didn't say he did. but i did refer to a machine gun	samsingh	Jul 2012	#53
I'm sure this was a minor mistake...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jul 2012	#58
This message was self-deleted by its author	armueller2001	Aug 2012	#64
This is a seriously relevant question.	DWC	Jul 2012	#17
why don't we try it in Texas.	samsingh	Jul 2012	#19
They have tried it in Texas- Houston has half the murder rate of Chicago.	friendly_iconoclast	Jul 2012	#21
houston is a tiny city compared to Chicago	samsingh	Jul 2012	#40
which supports our point	gejohnston	Jul 2012	#42
i'm referring to the increased gun deaths	samsingh	Jul 2012	#45
I never said they were caused by increased gun control	gejohnston	Jul 2012	#46
other threads have made this comment	samsingh	Jul 2012	#52
Houston and Chicago are similar in size.	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#56
Horseshit. They both have over 2 million people:	friendly_iconoclast	Jul 2012	#60
The FIREARM HOMICIDE rate has been higher in Houston.	russ1943	Aug 2012	#71
so are people being murdered by other means	gejohnston	Aug 2012	#74
Logic? Excuse me.	russ1943	Aug 2012	#78
OK so why does Chicago have such a high rate	gejohnston	Aug 2012	#79
Lot's of reasons.	russ1943	Aug 2012	#86
the OP said it was high, not the highest.	gejohnston	Aug 2012	#89
Guns somehow make you deader? That's all I'm getting from that....	friendly_iconoclast	Aug 2012	#91
It has been tried, and detailed statistics are available online.	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#32
pardon me	samsingh	Jul 2012	#41
None of the shall-issue states has had any movement to rescind shall-issue.	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#55
Wow! Thank you.	guardian	Jul 2012	#23
You could put some facts about Chicago's laws and crime rates up on the thread	Kolesar	Jul 2012	#26
Valid point	guardian	Jul 2012	#29
Chicago could do "stop and frisk" like New York and then you would be happy	Kolesar	Jul 2012	#33
So what do you want?	guardian	Jul 2012	#34
Fortunately federal law trumps state law in this regard.	alabama_for_obama	Aug 2012	#63
As always	bongbong	Jul 2012	#25
"reigionist"	guardian	Jul 2012	#31
being such a major city, could Chicago be more complicated than some of the others?	samsingh	Jul 2012	#36
there is a coorelation	gejohnston	Jul 2012	#38
WTF?	guardian	Jul 2012	#49
i was trying to respond to bong-bong- whom i agree with- i should have responded one level above the	samsingh	Jul 2012	#50
here's the interesting thing	samsingh	Jul 2012	#37
You are making a basic, and common, mistake.	GreenStormCloud	Jul 2012	#54
Because they have a lot of criminals	RegieRocker	Jul 2012	#27
This post is just poorly reasoned. n/t	ellisonz	Aug 2012	#80
It is a simple question	gejohnston	Aug 2012	#81
FYI: Some say there are no stupid questions.	ellisonz	Aug 2012	#82
Neither does El Paso	gejohnston	Aug 2012	#84

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