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In reply to the discussion: ATF Acting Director threatens ATF whistleblowers [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)51. Ummm no, you missed the point
US origin simply means that they were made or imported in the US at one time. M-16s stolen from a military armory in El Salvador are still "US origin" 40 year old M-16s from Vietnam are still "US origin". That does not mean they are all, or even mostly, coming from US gun stores via straw purchasers. That is a very inefficient system. It would be cheaper for them to get military surplus AKs from Africa.
But Keith Krause, an arms expert and one of the authors of the Geneva Declaration report, said it was not clear how many of the weapons used by Mexican drug gangs came from the United States.
He said only 30 percent of an estimated 100,000 weapons confiscated in Mexico each year are sent by authorities to the United States for identification on suspicion of having crossed the long, porous border.
Of these, 80 percent turn out to be U.S.-made but that does not mean that 80 percent of the overall total of arms seized in Mexico are of U.S. origin, as is often claimed, he said.
"It's not the case that most of the weapons that are seized by Mexican police from drug gangs come from the United States... it's very misleading," Krause told a news briefing.
He said seizures and photographs suggest significant quantities of military-style weapons such as grenades and even rocket launchers, were not coming across the U.S. border but coming from surplus stocks in places such as Guatemala or even from other official sources in Mexico itself.
He said only 30 percent of an estimated 100,000 weapons confiscated in Mexico each year are sent by authorities to the United States for identification on suspicion of having crossed the long, porous border.
Of these, 80 percent turn out to be U.S.-made but that does not mean that 80 percent of the overall total of arms seized in Mexico are of U.S. origin, as is often claimed, he said.
"It's not the case that most of the weapons that are seized by Mexican police from drug gangs come from the United States... it's very misleading," Krause told a news briefing.
He said seizures and photographs suggest significant quantities of military-style weapons such as grenades and even rocket launchers, were not coming across the U.S. border but coming from surplus stocks in places such as Guatemala or even from other official sources in Mexico itself.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/27/us-arms-violence-idUSTRE79Q57620111027
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Apply your proposed rules to your books and periodicals first... then we'll talk. n/t
PavePusher
Jul 2012
#16
When people start getting killed with books and periodicals, then I'll listen to you. n/t
denverbill
Jul 2012
#17
When "getting killed with" becomes the legal criteria, rather than "constitutionally protected"...
beevul
Jul 2012
#18
So can i assume you think any attempt to regulate gun sales by straw purchasers should be illegal?
denverbill
Jul 2012
#20
So can I assume you think ALL attempts at gun regulation and/or bans should be legal?
beevul
Jul 2012
#27
Given the existing gun laws, how can the ATF stop the flow of illegal weapons into Mexico?
denverbill
Jul 2012
#46
Where is your evidence for that statement that 'most are stolen from their own police and military'?
denverbill
Jul 2012
#49
Mao's Little Red Book, Das Kapital and Mein Kampf have all killed millions of people.
PavePusher
Jul 2012
#32
If there is no law which is effective in preventing gun trafficking, obviously, we do.
denverbill
Jul 2012
#37
Riddle: how do you get DUers to support a clamp down on whistleblowers?
4th law of robotics
Jul 2012
#34