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gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
51. Ummm no, you missed the point
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 07:09 PM
Jul 2012

US origin simply means that they were made or imported in the US at one time. M-16s stolen from a military armory in El Salvador are still "US origin" 40 year old M-16s from Vietnam are still "US origin". That does not mean they are all, or even mostly, coming from US gun stores via straw purchasers. That is a very inefficient system. It would be cheaper for them to get military surplus AKs from Africa.

But Keith Krause, an arms expert and one of the authors of the Geneva Declaration report, said it was not clear how many of the weapons used by Mexican drug gangs came from the United States.
He said only 30 percent of an estimated 100,000 weapons confiscated in Mexico each year are sent by authorities to the United States for identification on suspicion of having crossed the long, porous border.
Of these, 80 percent turn out to be U.S.-made but that does not mean that 80 percent of the overall total of arms seized in Mexico are of U.S. origin, as is often claimed, he said.
"It's not the case that most of the weapons that are seized by Mexican police from drug gangs come from the United States... it's very misleading," Krause told a news briefing.
He said seizures and photographs suggest significant quantities of military-style weapons such as grenades and even rocket launchers, were not coming across the U.S. border but coming from surplus stocks in places such as Guatemala or even from other official sources in Mexico itself.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/27/us-arms-violence-idUSTRE79Q57620111027
And what is YOUR company's policy for resolving work-related problems. denverbill Jul 2012 #1
Try to keep up: these were ILLEGAL work-related problems. Tejas Jul 2012 #2
Problems caused by the whistle-blower. denverbill Jul 2012 #14
We all read it gejohnston Jul 2012 #21
see the paralells? gejohnston Jul 2012 #35
Thats all fine and dandy permatex Jul 2012 #3
cleanupatf.org is fired up. Tejas Jul 2012 #5
Given ATF's past history permatex Jul 2012 #6
I believe that intimidate whistleblowers littlewolf Jul 2012 #28
Yes it is a violation of Federal Law permatex Jul 2012 #29
ATF has 0 credibility, AG in contempt, people are dead. Tejas Jul 2012 #7
Agreed. We need strict new gun laws. denverbill Jul 2012 #15
Apply your proposed rules to your books and periodicals first... then we'll talk. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #16
When people start getting killed with books and periodicals, then I'll listen to you. n/t denverbill Jul 2012 #17
When "getting killed with" becomes the legal criteria, rather than "constitutionally protected"... beevul Jul 2012 #18
So can i assume you think any attempt to regulate gun sales by straw purchasers should be illegal? denverbill Jul 2012 #20
I don't get your question gejohnston Jul 2012 #23
.gov facilitates straw buys, why should we care???????????? Tejas Jul 2012 #26
So can I assume you think ALL attempts at gun regulation and/or bans should be legal? beevul Jul 2012 #27
Given the existing gun laws, how can the ATF stop the flow of illegal weapons into Mexico? denverbill Jul 2012 #46
besides the Gun Control Act? gejohnston Jul 2012 #48
Where is your evidence for that statement that 'most are stolen from their own police and military'? denverbill Jul 2012 #49
Ummm no, you missed the point gejohnston Jul 2012 #51
Straw purchases... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #30
Mao's Little Red Book, Das Kapital and Mein Kampf have all killed millions of people. PavePusher Jul 2012 #32
Das Kapital killed people? Really? denverbill Jul 2012 #40
I invite your attention to Rwanda. PavePusher Jul 2012 #41
What do Rwanda and Mao's Little Red book has to do with 'gun-walker'? denverbill Jul 2012 #43
none of the above gejohnston Jul 2012 #44
Shall we start with the Bible? The Koran? Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #33
Here's one involving a Bible thumper: AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #52
May come as a surprise, but .gov and criminals don't care about laws. Tejas Jul 2012 #25
If there is no law which is effective in preventing gun trafficking, obviously, we do. denverbill Jul 2012 #37
There are really only about 36-38 towns in the US. Tejas Jul 2012 #38
each place can have more than one law gejohnston Jul 2012 #39
Does yours cover work-related murder? Tejas Jul 2012 #4
OMG! Which agent committed murder? denverbill Jul 2012 #19
Illegally purchased with the blessing of the ATF permatex Jul 2012 #22
it was not legally purchased gejohnston Jul 2012 #24
And part of the reason Bloomberg got the nastygram... Euromutt Jul 2012 #36
"internal matter"? Accessory to murder is an "internal matter"? Tejas Jul 2012 #42
Accessory to murder? denverbill Jul 2012 #45
Oh, you work for the ATF? Tejas Jul 2012 #47
I don't have the reference at hand sarisataka Jul 2012 #8
Riddle: how do you get DUers to support a clamp down on whistleblowers? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #34
I'm sure this is another NRA evil stunt DonP Jul 2012 #9
Damn, your good. permatex Jul 2012 #10
Donchaknow... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #31
Wow. Marinedem Jul 2012 #11
See something, say something. Tejas Jul 2012 #12
Hmmm. Callisto32 Jul 2012 #13
That really sounds like an organization that has nothing to hide rl6214 Jul 2012 #50
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