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GreenStormCloud

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147. Because FBI stats show that you are safer.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 02:39 PM
Jul 2012

If you will look at the FBI statistics on violent crime, you ARE safer than you have been in a long time. Violent crime is down to the levels of the early 1960s, from its peak in 1994. Murder is dramatically down.

During that same period, from 1994, dozens of states became shall-issue states, enacted Castle Doctrine, Civil Immunity, and Stand-Your-Ground laws. Gun sales have been high during the last 18 years too, with well over 100 million new guns having been sold during that time.

Yet, violent crime and murder are way down.

At least 10 dead and 30 to 40 wounded [View all] MichaelHarris Jul 2012 OP
Violent movies incite people to commit assault and murder SkatmanRoth Jul 2012 #1
I can imagine that those dvd's could do some serious damage qanda Jul 2012 #2
lmao MrDiaz Jul 2012 #3
Video games Confusious Jul 2012 #104
How do you propose doing that? Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #182
First we will need a form 4473A to be filled out. SkatmanRoth Jul 2012 #195
This message was self-deleted by its author felix_numinous Jul 2012 #183
Sorry the 1st is more important than the 2nd. orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #252
Without the Second, the first is not worth the paper it is written on SkatmanRoth Jul 2012 #262
Are police more important than the law? orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #264
Ordering rights by importance is like adolescents deciding which primary color is prettier. SkatmanRoth Jul 2012 #265
I have ,Talking is more important and useful orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #266
What a quaint fantasy. n/t HALO141 Jul 2012 #267
I call it reality orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #268
And you win the award for taking advantage of a tragedy. krispos42 Jul 2012 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #7
Exactly. Hoyt Jul 2012 #41
LMAO at your schoolyard snark. Tejas Jul 2012 #50
Lame. krispos42 Jul 2012 #63
That's what criminal-apologists do. Tejas Jul 2012 #98
It's "inflammatory trolling", not "taking advantage", both appear to Tejas Jul 2012 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #108
*sigh* krispos42 Jul 2012 #168
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #169
You know what? I agree with almost all you say there. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #210
...and your first thought Union Scribe Jul 2012 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #8
So why is it that the anti"s always rush to permatex Jul 2012 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #12
Assault rifles and automatic pistols permatex Jul 2012 #14
See, you're gonna have to do better than that. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #212
Why is it that the gun nuts always rush to carry out massacres? gejohnston Jul 2012 #213
I have no idea. Did someone say "gun nuts always rush to carry out massacres"? Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #217
Yes, read post 12 gejohnston Jul 2012 #219
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #223
Nope gejohnston Jul 2012 #226
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #222
If he bought them that day, gejohnston Jul 2012 #224
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #225
Oh I don't know gejohnston Jul 2012 #227
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #251
none of them are lies gejohnston Jul 2012 #255
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #250
No I don't have it yet permatex Jul 2012 #214
If the private possesion of every gun was banned.. MicaelS Jul 2012 #22
And don't forget anyone permatex Jul 2012 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #53
So instead of being a Keyboard commando permatex Jul 2012 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #57
Threat of the NRA? permatex Jul 2012 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #70
You have no idea why this lunatic permatex Jul 2012 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #78
Bullshit permatex Jul 2012 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #85
Gun ownership threatened? permatex Jul 2012 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #93
So why is violent crime down while the sales of guns are up? permatex Jul 2012 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #118
rural areas have higher suicide rates gejohnston Jul 2012 #123
Same lie you gun-relgionists trot out over and over bongbong Jul 2012 #198
you asked the question gejohnston Jul 2012 #102
That horse died years ago. You can quit beating it. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #109
Your side lost. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #113
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #119
You tap dance, waltz, cha-cha, and Tango. Clames Jul 2012 #127
By your posts you are obviously in favor of greater gun control. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #130
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #137
It is still the LAW. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #143
If thats the best you got permatex Jul 2012 #148
Yes, your(individual) side won. kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #194
"over the rights of people to be safe from lunatics with easy access to guns. " HALO141 Jul 2012 #134
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #138
Because FBI stats show that you are safer. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #147
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #221
So now all you have is anger and snark. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #253
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #254
I'm sorry, I thought I'd made my position clear. HALO141 Jul 2012 #176
If he wanted to gejohnston Jul 2012 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #72
you missed the point gejohnston Jul 2012 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #82
the gangs are not buying their guns from the store gejohnston Jul 2012 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #120
and you know nothing about federal gun control laws gejohnston Jul 2012 #124
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #125
First off, gejohnston Jul 2012 #184
Pssst! Your propaganda is showing. HALO141 Jul 2012 #180
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #229
You're confused nt HALO141 Jul 2012 #234
It is democracy permatex Jul 2012 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #88
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What tyranny would you be talking about? permatex Jul 2012 #152
Of course not. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #158
Actually. Callisto32 Jul 2012 #220
Lots of ways he could have killed more people. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #97
Correction about the NRA GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #107
Your talking points are betrayed by your own words. beevul Jul 2012 #141
A bomb or bombs? TPaine7 Jul 2012 #149
Can't wait to see your movie, will you be Tejas Jul 2012 #62
where did you get that from MrDiaz Jul 2012 #121
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #140
that is not what the ATF says gejohnston Jul 2012 #185
Prove it bongbong Jul 2012 #201
1,819 originating from New York; 443 from Virginia. gejohnston Jul 2012 #218
More data bongbong Jul 2012 #242
One thing gejohnston Jul 2012 #245
Have a nice life bongbong Jul 2012 #246
you too gejohnston Jul 2012 #247
Psych bongbong Jul 2012 #258
"Then explain to me how this fucking nut in Colorado could have killed all those people..." HALO141 Jul 2012 #128
Did you forget the part where he booby trapped his apartment? beevul Jul 2012 #139
May be just as well he had guns... EX500rider Jul 2012 #186
Psychological defect? Tejas Jul 2012 #68
The talibanners can't wait for tragedies like this. Much easier to push their shadowrider Jul 2012 #188
You really need to quit using the word "anti". It means nothing Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #211
You really need to stop telling me what I should and shouldn't say permatex Jul 2012 #216
I'll stop using the word "anti" as soon as they quit calling me a gun nut, deal? n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #249
Gun nut means something. Look at your tag line. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #256
Look at my tagline. Hmmm, seems to me a recent gun free zone was a target rich shadowrider Jul 2012 #257
...and his cheerleaders are close behind. Tejas Jul 2012 #65
prayers for the wounded and victim's families. ileus Jul 2012 #6
As long as the event is being used to further agendas... mvccd1000 Jul 2012 #9
I'm waiting for the Brady Campaign to announce it's next fund raiser. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #27
They'll have an e-blast fund raiser by the end of the day DonP Jul 2012 #43
Movie theaters aren't neccessarily gun free. I carry my concealed handgun to movies regularly. rl6214 Jul 2012 #170
I always have my LCP with me at the movies. ileus Jul 2012 #179
Does my sig line ring a bell? n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #190
Prayers to the victims and families. permatex Jul 2012 #10
Even better than prayers would be gun laws that prevent this sort of thing... DanTex Jul 2012 #13
Start out right away with the insults permatex Jul 2012 #15
"Good bye": there's an "e" on the end. DanTex Jul 2012 #18
So now your the grammer police? permatex Jul 2012 #19
"You're": there's an "e" on the end. DanTex Jul 2012 #25
Thanks 4 the grmmr lsson permatex Jul 2012 #29
You're such a rebel! DanTex Jul 2012 #30
Rebel, no permatex Jul 2012 #32
We would expect nothing less. nt Remmah2 Jul 2012 #28
Why do guns keep killing people? ileus Jul 2012 #16
Thank you. Perfectly said. n/t Ineeda Jul 2012 #17
Those "lax" gun laws coincide with historically low levels of gun violence hack89 Jul 2012 #20
Very true permatex Jul 2012 #21
Far more gun violence than any other wealthy nation. DanTex Jul 2012 #26
But gun violence is declining while gun ownership is rising permatex Jul 2012 #31
Actually, gun ownership has declined significantly since the early 90s. DanTex Jul 2012 #33
Let me put it this way permatex Jul 2012 #34
Actually, declining crime has been going on for a while Confusious Jul 2012 #112
what new gun laws? gejohnston Jul 2012 #117
Baseball bats need to be swung ,why don't you orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #228
and your point? gejohnston Jul 2012 #230
I'll take the death tom tom and you take the bat orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #232
you are proof what Eisenstein said about common sense gejohnston Jul 2012 #233
gunning liars bongbong Jul 2012 #205
If gun ownership has actually declined please explain why ... spin Jul 2012 #55
But they continue to decline hack89 Jul 2012 #35
Gun laws are (part of) the problem. DanTex Jul 2012 #36
We could reduce it by 50% if you outlaw suicide permatex Jul 2012 #38
Our gun violence rates are skewed by criminal gang violence hack89 Jul 2012 #39
There you go talking all sensible and stuff... jeepnstein Jul 2012 #46
What do you consider "sensible"? Dr_Scholl Jul 2012 #181
Shootings might be even less if we crack down on guns. This guy wouldn't have shot up this theatre Hoyt Jul 2012 #42
Lets crack down on alcohol first hack89 Jul 2012 #44
Yeah, your right Hoyt permatex Jul 2012 #47
Enjoy your new gun on this day. Hoyt Jul 2012 #52
I plan to permatex Jul 2012 #54
Tough guy and his gun bongbong Jul 2012 #204
They think they are "tough" when they are armed "better" than 95% of society. Hoyt Jul 2012 #215
You got that bongbong Jul 2012 #237
"Rambo fantasies" - May I use that, it's perfect. Hoyt Jul 2012 #241
Naturally bongbong Jul 2012 #243
So what are you picking up? ileus Jul 2012 #60
Going into LV today to p/u the Valmet Model 76 permatex Jul 2012 #66
Yeah you posted about that a few weeks ago ileus Jul 2012 #79
Can't do that permatex Jul 2012 #84
Holy crap. Does it fire heat seeking bullets and have a shoulder thing that goes up? n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #191
Back from LV permatex Jul 2012 #199
Ban porn = no rapes. Tejas Jul 2012 #105
Gasoline and a match killed 87 people in a nightclub. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #115
So other violoence is OK with you? GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #111
Prove it bongbong Jul 2012 #206
www.google.com Clames Jul 2012 #209
LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #235
check out the links in the OP. gejohnston Jul 2012 #238
still LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #239
per capita gejohnston Jul 2012 #240
You're right bongbong Jul 2012 #244
How long did it take you to look it up gejohnston Jul 2012 #248
LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #259
I don't carry gejohnston Jul 2012 #260
OK bongbong Jul 2012 #261
Bless his heart n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #263
Deputy Sheriff shot his wife dead on the courthouse steps, Tejas Jul 2012 #59
Laws don't prevent actions. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #71
There are already numerous laws against this. PavePusher Jul 2012 #83
This could also be the act of a radical anti gun organization. Even UN sponsored. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #24
???? bongbong Jul 2012 #86
Stop whining. Members constantly post "repig/teabagger" Tejas Jul 2012 #110
Teachings bongbong Jul 2012 #126
My bad, apparently you don't know who Brady/VPC are. Tejas Jul 2012 #129
Answers bongbong Jul 2012 #135
No idea why you buy into the NRA bogeyman. Tejas Jul 2012 #136
Ha ha bongbong Jul 2012 #150
So, the NRA prevented Obama from becoming President? Tejas Jul 2012 #154
So, your Strawman failed bongbong Jul 2012 #171
You deny that you fear some whimsical army? Tejas Jul 2012 #173
Goalpost moving bongbong Jul 2012 #175
Just trying to put your fear of the NRA into perspective. Tejas Jul 2012 #177
LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #178
Reality bongbong Jul 2012 #197
We were told the NRA is powerless shadowrider Jul 2012 #193
Who told you that? bongbong Jul 2012 #196
Use the search feature. It's your friend n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #200
OK bongbong Jul 2012 #202
I can tell you who donates to Brady. The list is in this post. shadowrider Jul 2012 #192
Yes bongbong Jul 2012 #203
Most likely a mental health issue. jeepnstein Jul 2012 #37
I'll wager that your right permatex Jul 2012 #40
Of course they probably knew he was armed. They've probably been introducing him to gun culture Hoyt Jul 2012 #45
And he may be a martian permatex Jul 2012 #48
Do YOU have guns so you can be a "man"? Tejas Jul 2012 #51
My son harvested his first deer at 6. ileus Jul 2012 #64
Hunt bear? That's nice. Hoyt Jul 2012 #69
That's what I thought.... ileus Jul 2012 #76
Here this can hold you until you get time to shoot one. Hoyt Jul 2012 #101
Uh....I think someone's beat us to that one. ileus Jul 2012 #114
Is that the Seattle Two-Step you're doing? Tejas Jul 2012 #49
What kind of scanner did he have? cleanhippie Jul 2012 #75
Waiting for the NRA to take advantage of this tragedy bongbong Jul 2012 #81
So far the only ones taking advantage here are you anti's and restrictionists. permatex Jul 2012 #87
That was FAST bongbong Jul 2012 #89
Check the time stamp on the OP. Tejas Jul 2012 #91
Doesn't make you anything except an extremist permatex Jul 2012 #92
Sensical bongbong Jul 2012 #95
Begging is an unbecoming quality, it rivals trolling. Tejas Jul 2012 #96
Clues bongbong Jul 2012 #103
Our country is safe enough... krispos42 Jul 2012 #174
At least they wait. Clames Jul 2012 #157
Funny stuff bongbong Jul 2012 #172
Nothing copied from you. Clames Jul 2012 #208
My posts bongbong Jul 2012 #236
Where were the police? Tejas Jul 2012 #106
"At least the perp didn't get shot in the back." Tejas Jul 2012 #116
The blood isn't even dry and already people are making political hay out of this 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #122
They've probably already asked Phelps to protest the funerals. Tejas Jul 2012 #131
I fucking hate guns. crim son Jul 2012 #132
You sound confused. Tejas Jul 2012 #133
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #165
Excellent post bongbong Jul 2012 #207
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He was also apparently a PHD canidate for a doctorate in Neuroscience, Ashgrey77 Jul 2012 #145
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #146
Fantasies of "pre-crime" do not a point make. Tejas Jul 2012 #151
You can't arrest someone until they have committed a crime. Ashgrey77 Jul 2012 #153
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #159
So now all you have to do is get that pesky 2A repealed permatex Jul 2012 #155
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #160
Struck a nerve, didn't I? permatex Jul 2012 #162
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #167
Did you know that prior to their first conviction 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #164
By that logic 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #163
Less than .0000001% mass murder Ter Jul 2012 #156
Sympathy to the families and friends era veteran Jul 2012 #161
you,d lose that one rl6214 Jul 2012 #166
Jimmy Olsen, I want to be the first to congratulate you. Tejas Jul 2012 #187
Time to go to a jury... sarisataka Jul 2012 #189
12 dead, total 60 dead or injured. elleng Jul 2012 #231
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