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Hoyt

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84. The jury ruled on the legality of the charges brought by inept prosectutors, not the morality of

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 10:06 AM

Jul 2012

Weaver's racism, conspiring to aid other racists kill minorities, hiding behind his wife when trying to keep his worthless ass out of jail, etc.

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UPDATE 2: Texas E-Z-Trip (C-store) Shooting of Violent Drunk [View all] GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 OP

You would think Meiko Jul 2012 #1

Not drunk, probably PCP or Meth. Tejas Jul 2012 #60

Sounds like evolution at work to me. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #2

You and I and any sane person permatex Jul 2012 #3

Well done. But next time, try something harder and more useful.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #90

I promise I'll try harder next time. permatex Jul 2012 #95

Am I understanding a white guy shot a black guy. Guess that means no charges, and Hoyt Jul 2012 #4

Real classy Hoyt permatex Jul 2012 #5

Guns and racism are closely linked. Hoyt Jul 2012 #6

pop psy 101? gejohnston Jul 2012 #8

And yet you still own guns. Clames Jul 2012 #11

It is also true that gun control and racism are even more closely linked. ... spin Jul 2012 #61

Precisely! Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #97

nice '03 era veteran Jul 2012 #112

Huh? PavePusher Jul 2012 #120

Looked too quickly era veteran Jul 2012 #129

That effusion of idiocy really deserves no reply... Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #96

Yes. Guns have often been used to combat racism. PavePusher Jul 2012 #101

My gun is not racist in the least. Common Sense Party Jul 2012 #141

Racist thugs that assault customers get shot? Tejas Jul 2012 #155

Maybe the black guy was the racist gejohnston Jul 2012 #7

I think we know who racist is - guy who shot unarmed man. Hoyt Jul 2012 #9

fists are lethal weapons gejohnston Jul 2012 #10

I feel for those who can't handle UNARMED drunk, when they gotta a gun. Hoyt Jul 2012 #13

And I'm sure you'll be showing us the proof that he was a racist looking to shoot a black man, permatex Jul 2012 #14

Have you got proof otherwise. Facts speak for themselves. Hoyt Jul 2012 #17

Ahhhhhhhhh, I see you're usual deflect permatex Jul 2012 #19

"Guns and racism are closely linked." <--------- You mean "facts" like that? The kind that can't be cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #21

Proven to your gun tainted view of society? Impossible. Hoyt Jul 2012 #27

So, again, permatex Jul 2012 #28

All well and good, except that's not the way it went down, is it? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #51

But, we need to drive -- we don't need to shoot fellow citizens. Hoyt Jul 2012 #132

Driving has nothing to do with it permatex Jul 2012 #133

No, no-one really needs to drive. PavePusher Jul 2012 #135

1 dead racist, 1 living? Tejas Jul 2012 #130

Ever try to reason with a violent drunk or stoner? gejohnston Jul 2012 #16

I bet it's not false. Odds are in my favor. If I am wrong (not likely), Hoyt Jul 2012 #29

So provide the proof that this was racially motivated. permatex Jul 2012 #31

Well, statistics say you might manage to be right sometime.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #92

Like a broken clock or a blind squirrel. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #127

"racial impact" <----- HOYT continues with the race card. Tejas Jul 2012 #102

And I'm sure you have proof of this, right? permatex Jul 2012 #12

One can't even get you to admit randy weaver and d koresh are bad for society. Hoyt Jul 2012 #15

So in other words, no proof permatex Jul 2012 #18

I honestly don't think you gejohnston Jul 2012 #20

And where do you get you info about "violent drunk beating... "? Hoyt Jul 2012 #22

Same place you got your racist white man permatex Jul 2012 #24

You can, and have been. I think my version is valid here. Hoyt Jul 2012 #30

So prove your version is valid. Thats all we ask, provide proof, permatex Jul 2012 #35

listen with a closed mind -- that's Our Hoyt. I don't think he could get past Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #44

Not trying to be a jury member or be held to that standard. Hoyt Jul 2012 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #66

And just what exactly have you seen so far? permatex Jul 2012 #71

Ok then, What are you buying? Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #87

If you read the stories gejohnston Jul 2012 #32

I'll wait for more reports. My guess is if shooter wanted to, he could Hoyt Jul 2012 #38

The video will tell all. gejohnston Jul 2012 #40

Me too. Hoyt Jul 2012 #45

Wow permatex Jul 2012 #43

"Violent drunk beating" is in the article. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #62

Sounds like something Zimmerman would say. Of course, you just assume shooting him was only option. Hoyt Jul 2012 #64

You can let someone beat on you if you want to. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #67

I know, you are probably one of those who'll shoot unarmed person over property, etc. Hoyt Jul 2012 #69

So why don't you show us just exactly where he said permatex Jul 2012 #77

Ask him. He is supporting a man with a gun who shot an UNARMED drunk when other options available. Hoyt Jul 2012 #79

You made the claim permatex Jul 2012 #81

Not machismo, just too old to take an ass whipping and not ready to die yet. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #104

And of course permatex Jul 2012 #72

Actually it does -- another fucker with a gun who shot an UNARMED black man when plenty of options Hoyt Jul 2012 #75

And you were there right? permatex Jul 2012 #76

I was there as much as you. Besides, I can read the facts released so far. Pretty obvious to me. Hoyt Jul 2012 #106

Facts? HALO141 Jul 2012 #108

White guy with a gun in Texas, shot a UNARMED drunk Black man and is claiming self-defense and that Hoyt Jul 2012 #109

You don't know me nearly well enough to make any of the assumptions HALO141 Jul 2012 #110

Maybe we'll get some photos of how badly the gun toter was hurt. My guess is, it will be even less Hoyt Jul 2012 #111

The law does not recognize any requisite level of injury HALO141 Jul 2012 #114

I know, gun toters hide behind the "law." Do you guys ever consider Hoyt Jul 2012 #115

Not in cases like this, no. HALO141 Jul 2012 #117

It is immoral for someone to assault me. It is moral for me to defend myself. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #118

Fine Hoyt, I have a challange for you. PavePusher Jul 2012 #119

I don't think our Texas toter was in danger of decomposing, or having much more than a bloody nose. Hoyt Jul 2012 #121

You were 100% correct as far as "I don't think..."... PavePusher Jul 2012 #122

From start to finish, I'm averaging 50%, significantly better than you. Hoyt Jul 2012 #123

The hell you are. PavePusher Jul 2012 #124

Like your buddy above, opinions don't require cites. Hoyt Jul 2012 #125

Bullshit. Unmitigated mendacity. You made numerous claims as facts, not as opinion. PavePusher Jul 2012 #126

Ok... sarisataka Jul 2012 #116

I'm sure you have a mental picture of how everything went down HALO141 Jul 2012 #134

Not me era veteran Jul 2012 #113

Not really impressed by your machismo without a gun. Common Sense Party Jul 2012 #142

I personally believe that permatex Jul 2012 #23

could be, but gejohnston Jul 2012 #25

Before my time permatex Jul 2012 #26

she was a trip gejohnston Jul 2012 #36

She was quite insightful if that were her conclusions, although I think "all" might be a little high Hoyt Jul 2012 #46

insightful once in awhile, mostly incoherent and heavy into the gejohnston Jul 2012 #49

She had a gift HALO141 Jul 2012 #89

I've never alerted on anyone. Bet you can't say that. Hoyt Jul 2012 #34

How do we know you haven't? permatex Jul 2012 #37

I know, you need proof. Heck, you'll believe Zimmerman and weaver, but.... Hoyt Jul 2012 #39

Weaver is public record gejohnston Jul 2012 #41

To you. To me, he made an illegal gun deal while attending a friggin Ayran Nation meeting. Hoyt Jul 2012 #47

And for that "offense" the FBI shot and killed his wife... GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #52

Weaver hid behind his wife and kids, when he should have walked out (without lethal weapons). Hoyt Jul 2012 #65

His politics did NOT make it OK for the FBI to shoot on sight. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #68

No, his trafficking in illegal guns and refusal to give himself up is what caused shooting. Hoyt Jul 2012 #70

Are you really that dense? permatex Jul 2012 #74

"Entrapped?" BS, he thought he was dealing with another worthless racist like himself. He thought Hoyt Jul 2012 #78

A jury seemed to disagree with you permatex Jul 2012 #82

The jury ruled on the legality of the charges brought by inept prosectutors, not the morality of Hoyt Jul 2012 #84

You really are that dense. permatex Jul 2012 #86

New jury instructions sarisataka Jul 2012 #105

I heard GITMO is hiring. Tejas Jul 2012 #146

Not a poster boy. HALO141 Jul 2012 #94

Yes, entrapped. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #98

You can't make up the fact that Weaver is/was a racist neo-Nazi, ready to contribute to the Ayran Hoyt Jul 2012 #107

So that made it okay to blow his wife's face off? Tejas Jul 2012 #57

No, it's not OK. Weaver should have thought about that before agreeing to aid Ayran Nation in thier Hoyt Jul 2012 #73

Oh man, Hoyt, permatex Jul 2012 #80

They didn't just show up one day, Weaver knew for some time they were there to arrest his gun Hoyt Jul 2012 #83

How can I be friends with a dead kid? permatex Jul 2012 #85

You paid his "gun loving, racist ass" $100,000 Tejas Jul 2012 #100

Shooting a woman in the face, your justification. Tejas Jul 2012 #99

While he may have been "responsible for all that happened to HIM", the FBI is responsible for all cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #128

Don't ya know? permatex Jul 2012 #131

So, she DESERVED to die. Tejas Jul 2012 #136

Yes and 14 year old Sammy gejohnston Jul 2012 #137

It's like Hoyt said: "Weaver's fault" Tejas Jul 2012 #140

It was koresch's fault. He had 51 days to surrender, but chose to hide behind his flock. Hoyt Jul 2012 #143

Are you ATF? Tejas Jul 2012 #144

In the 51 days koresch could have given up, he chose to remain with his guns and underaged teenagers Hoyt Jul 2012 #148

I don't think he could have gejohnston Jul 2012 #149

Why would they pick up a gun nut in town where innocents are around? That would be crazy/stupid. Hoyt Jul 2012 #151

"Since you asked, " - and to my surprise... Tejas Jul 2012 #150

No one deserved to die. But, blame it on weaver's illegal and immoral activities. Hoyt Jul 2012 #138

HELLO..................Lon Horiuchi = $3.1m out-of-court settlement Tejas Jul 2012 #139

What exactly was Weaver convicted of? gejohnston Jul 2012 #145

What was bush/cheney convicted of? How about Hitler, Stalin, OJ, Jack the Ripper, Blake, Anthony. Hoyt Jul 2012 #152

I only did a quick search, there may be more sarisataka Jul 2012 #153

What do they have to do with weaver? They are immoral people who might not have been convicted. Hoyt Jul 2012 #156

lowlife Gerry Spence? gejohnston Jul 2012 #157

From the top gejohnston Jul 2012 #154

Naw permatex Jul 2012 #42

THE Randy Weaver that was awarded $100,000 ? Tejas Jul 2012 #56

Make shit up much? PavePusher Jul 2012 #93

Hoyt is on the hotline with DPD as we speak. Tejas Jul 2012 #59

There ought to be a law, eh Hoyt? Tejas Jul 2012 #55

Cite your evidence of the shooter's racism, please. PavePusher Jul 2012 #91

No RACE-BAITING here folks, move along. Tejas Jul 2012 #53

I doubt it was even alerted. If it was, I wish someone would share the results. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #88

Has there been video of this case? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #33

You Tube Meiko Jul 2012 #48

I mean the e-z trip shooting. why would feds be involved? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #50

Sorry Meiko Jul 2012 #58

Yes, but not released yet. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #54

If the POS weren't dead, he would be in jail. Tejas Jul 2012 #103

You know, it's funny... Marinedem Jul 2012 #147