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Kaleva

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17. How would you propose wording the SOPs for the two groups?
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:28 AM
Jun 2012

Here's the current SOP:

"Discuss gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence."

Here is the proposed SOP:

"Discuss all aspects of firearms use and ownership, including but not limited to gun control laws and policies, the Second Amendment, self-defense, crime and violence, safety and education, shooting sports, and collecting".

Also, do you propose moving both groups into their own topic area?

personally, I think any comparison to guns/penis Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #1
Too bad. Warren Stupidity Jun 2012 #4
lovely. Have a Nice Day. Peace Out. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #5
If they are so phallic sarisataka Jun 2012 #9
What red blooded man wouldn't want two dicks? Warren Stupidity Jun 2012 #44
Oh I don't know, gejohnston Jun 2012 #45
That would just be a distraction sarisataka Jun 2012 #47
He didn't say double barrel Trunk Monkey Jun 2012 #53
This red-blooded Man does just fine with ONE dick. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #67
What red blooded man... PavePusher Jun 2012 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #82
Its actually a part of the anti-gun enthusist culture of perjorative language. aikoaiko Jun 2012 #12
yep. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #39
You are either ignorant of symbolism and metaphors in culture Warren Stupidity Jun 2012 #42
Your Freudian analysis is passé aikoaiko Jun 2012 #50
Calling things passé is passé Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #123
Ties are phallic symbols. Trunk Monkey Jun 2012 #54
but what does it have to do with making policy? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #61
The Washington Monument is a phallic symbol. Skyscrapers are phallic symbols. Guns are NOT. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #68
That explains everything... AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #113
Maybe yours. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #112
That's why I think there should be two forums. DanTex Jun 2012 #7
I think Gun Policy should be Gender Neutral. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #8
"the identification of masculinity with guns" ?? Upton Jun 2012 #11
Yes, the identification of masculinity with guns. DanTex Jun 2012 #15
You see no sexism in your attitude? and while it may be legitmate topic of conversation somewhere on Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #23
I see zero sexism at all in my attitude. In fact, I resent the implication. DanTex Jun 2012 #37
In what way is it legitimate? NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #57
indeed, It is an injustice to both sexes and I have to wonder if he is being intentionally obtuse. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #59
Many of the rest of us do ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #69
If I recall my stats correctly... PavePusher Jun 2012 #72
Most women aren't into all the hi-cap mags, expanding loads, stopping power, and such. Hoyt Jun 2012 #18
You take it upon yourself to Speak for Most Women? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #19
My apologies, I guess you are into Hi-cap mags and that other gun toting nonsense. Hoyt Jun 2012 #25
maybe a Browning Hi Power or gejohnston Jun 2012 #29
I own many standard-capacity magazines and I've never carried a gun outside in my life. Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #32
One thing I am NOT into is your nonsense. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #34
top shots. love the show. absolutely women who are into gun for sport. target shooting. seabeyond Jun 2012 #40
Enjoyed watching "Top Shots" too. Good show. Kaleva Jun 2012 #52
ist it funny. i dont like guns. i dont watch tv. except when hubby turns on stewart and colbert seabeyond Jun 2012 #55
Yes, there is personal drama in that show besides the shooting. Kaleva Jun 2012 #56
i know. he was the arrogant jerk thru out the show and then at the end did that. seabeyond Jun 2012 #75
Why don't you help us out here? Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #126
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #127
Thanks for sharing. Your honesty and openness is refreshing. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #135
thanks for the suggestion. I added it to my subscriptions... Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #164
Most women I know gejohnston Jun 2012 #21
How is stopping power not pertinent to self-defense? NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #60
Yet another baseless and uninformed statement from you ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #71
Clearly, if you are plotting out an algorithm for possible scenarios where you shoot someone. Hoyt Jun 2012 #107
Scenarios are actually the best way to discuss and illustrate legal and tactical issues associated ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #114
"I think..." PavePusher Jun 2012 #73
Takes lot of thought picking out the right lethal weapon, load, etc., to tuck away before venturing Hoyt Jun 2012 #108
Yeah, because none of those three things are helpful in a defensive role... Marinedem Jun 2012 #104
And what situation do you expect to arise that puts you in a defensive role where a gun is the only Hoyt Jun 2012 #109
Is your part of Georgia civilization? gejohnston Jun 2012 #110
If there are two forums.. MicaelS Jun 2012 #63
I'm thinking some folks may not like a "Gun Enthusiasts" group Kaleva Jun 2012 #76
Well, some folks at DU don't want any discussion of guns.. MicaelS Jun 2012 #78
Well if you are going to post about your caliber, bore size, stopping power, etc. . . . . . . Hoyt Jun 2012 #111
caliber and bore size are the same thing. ileus Jun 2012 #134
Some people look at it from bullet size, others look at the "hole" for some perverted reason. Hoyt Jun 2012 #139
And some keep attaching innuendo to these terms... Clames Jun 2012 #147
That's what happens when Ileus posts bull. Hoyt Jun 2012 #160
It's what happens when you post period. Clames Jun 2012 #162
what part was bull??? ileus Jun 2012 #163
In other words... beevul Jun 2012 #115
I think that is a reasonable way to accommodate most people on DU... rfranklin Jun 2012 #2
That depends... beevul Jun 2012 #116
Excellent approach. Hoyt Jun 2012 #3
Bingo. This is exactly what I want to see. n/t Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #6
Mark the calandar sarisataka Jun 2012 #10
Could just change the one to Gun NUTS liberal N proud Jun 2012 #13
we are all gun Nuts just two opposite sides of the same coin. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #36
Or you could simply be polite and respectful of others. PavePusher Jun 2012 #74
I was liberal N proud Jun 2012 #86
you weren't and you know it but, its OK. we are used to the snide comments. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #89
This is why it should be the gun nuts liberal N proud Jun 2012 #94
Go step on Legos. n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #95
Peace. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #97
Arms enthusiasts have plenty of forums outside of DU to discuss technical issues, recreation, etc. slackmaster Jun 2012 #14
I don't think anyone objects to that. DanTex Jun 2012 #16
How would you propose wording the SOPs for the two groups? Kaleva Jun 2012 #17
How about this: DanTex Jun 2012 #22
Your last paragraph addresses a question I had. Kaleva Jun 2012 #26
Makes sense, but one question gejohnston Jun 2012 #27
That wouldn't work, IMO. Kaleva Jun 2012 #30
agreed, gejohnston Jun 2012 #33
Maybe create a new Topic "Firearms" which contain the two groups. Kaleva Jun 2012 #35
I think this is best n/t MicaelS Jun 2012 #80
This gets my vote. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #93
I don't know. DanTex Jun 2012 #31
I think this approach might have some merit. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #38
I do not support this approach although it is not an unreasonable suggestion aikoaiko Jun 2012 #20
agreed. and I would add that term gun porn is also offensive and sexist and goes a long way to Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #24
Love it! This is why I voted NO on the new TOS poll mvccd1000 Jun 2012 #28
I think a safe haven for Democrats to discuss gun policy is a good idea SecularMotion Jun 2012 #41
are you saying, gejohnston Jun 2012 #43
That's sort of a different discussion. DanTex Jun 2012 #48
You're right SecularMotion Jun 2012 #49
I think one ought to be able to discuss the gun safety programs provided by the NRA Kaleva Jun 2012 #51
How would discussing the pros and cons on renewing the AWB in a "safe haven" work? Kaleva Jun 2012 #64
"safe haven" = Where no one will disagree wtih my opinion or correct my errors DonP Jun 2012 #106
lol ellisonz Jun 2012 #117
And we're all waiting for you to post your fortnightly whine about the Gungeon in Meta again DonP Jun 2012 #118
You seem angry. ellisonz Jun 2012 #119
Yeah ellisonz! You whiny grad-school communist tree-hugger! DanTex Jun 2012 #120
Yeah... ellisonz Jun 2012 #124
Your role as "DU spokesperson for victims of gun violence" was *entirely* self-appointed. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #132
like I said before gejohnston Jun 2012 #133
That's your interpretation. ellisonz Jun 2012 #137
Can you elaborate on point # 1? Marengo Jun 2012 #140
No elaboration required. n/t ellisonz Jun 2012 #145
And there lies the problem sarisataka Jun 2012 #153
There's also the fact that I have better things to do today... ellisonz Jun 2012 #154
Don't quite follow you squadron leader... sarisataka Jun 2012 #155
I disagree as your statement is ambiguous. Marengo Jul 2012 #165
Number 1 implies no private ownership of handguns. Correct? hack89 Jun 2012 #141
umm no gejohnston Jun 2012 #144
I'm not the one arguing words dramatically transubstantiated their meaning. n/t ellisonz Jun 2012 #146
OK student gejohnston Jun 2012 #149
*buzzer* ellisonz Jun 2012 #152
buzzer again gejohnston Jun 2012 #157
The supposed "right to privacy" is based on interpretation of the Ninth Amendment. ellisonz Jun 2012 #159
I actually don't see the anti intellectualism gejohnston Jun 2012 #122
"self aggrandizing, whiny grad student type who thinks he's a coffee house hero" ellisonz Jun 2012 #125
A lot more complex than that. gejohnston Jun 2012 #129
I paid attention in my sociology classes. ellisonz Jun 2012 #138
I'm glad you did gejohnston Jun 2012 #142
let me clarify something gejohnston Jun 2012 #161
I think we've got both covered this thread... DanTex Jun 2012 #156
what about chess? I fail to see how gejohnston Jun 2012 #158
It is just the internet... Clames Jun 2012 #128
I don't know why anti intellectualism would bother him rrneck Jun 2012 #131
Technical knowledge /= "intellectualism" ellisonz Jun 2012 #136
but sound policy requires technical knowledge. gejohnston Jun 2012 #143
"dangerous and unusual" ellisonz Jun 2012 #148
what about them? gejohnston Jun 2012 #150
Microstamping is another subject that the lack of technical understanding... Clames Jun 2012 #151
I'm quite open to this idea and here are some of my opinions on it. Kaleva Jun 2012 #46
Excellent idea, I agree 100%. n/t MicaelS Jun 2012 #84
I like this as well.....particularly your point re. standards of behavior Simo 1939_1940 Jun 2012 #88
standards of behavior are subject to a jury...how do you propose that higher standard take effect? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #90
Members can be blocked from a group by the host for violating SOP Kaleva Jun 2012 #96
perhaps we could start a rough draft for an SoP.... Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #98
GC&RKBA or the proposed "Gun Policy" group would be different... Kaleva Jun 2012 #99
by higher standard...basically ... a Safe Haven? I still don't understand why that same standard Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #100
I imagine one could do that here. Kaleva Jun 2012 #102
I am thinking that this could work...may need to add another host. It could be done but, I am not Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #103
I love this idea. NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #58
would the Enthusiasts group be a safe haven? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #62
I would certainly hope so. NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #81
Would having... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #66
That sounds fine by me. I'd vote for exactly that. n/t NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #79
Cool :) discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #92
How would you... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #65
Oh my God! I agree with Dan for once! Dr_Scholl Jun 2012 #77
Two separate safe-haven forums... "RKBA & Guns" and "Gun Control" OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #83
Disagree completely... MicaelS Jun 2012 #85
I think it is asking too much of Krispos if we go this route but, if he is OK with it Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #101
cofused. do you mean -- Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #91
On reflection this might be a splendid idea. rrneck Jun 2012 #87
I think it's a great idea. NT. Marinedem Jun 2012 #105
After much consideration, MicaelS Jun 2012 #121
As long as I can talk about Gun Policy in the Gun enthusiasts group, I'm cool with it. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #130
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