Gun Control & RKBA

ManiacJoe

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43. That PDF is not a bad start.

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 06:46 PM

Jun 2012

However, some of the language needs to be tightened up else you end up with "lying and selling" just like the current "lying and buying".

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Amid ATF Fast And Furious Scandal, House Democrats Point To Weak Gun Laws [View all] SecularMotion Jun 2012 OP

Weak gun laws or weak enforcement of gun laws? Remmah2 Jun 2012 #1

+1 Glassunion Jun 2012 #2

Great. Just what we need with November rapidly approaching. Simo 1939_1940 Jun 2012 #3

Plus it feeds into the FNC conspiracy theory that F&F was an attempt Lionessa Jun 2012 #4

Definitely weak enforcement. ManiacJoe Jun 2012 #5

I sometimes wonder if weak enforcement is intentional? Remmah2 Jun 2012 #6

I hate to think that this is a possibility ... spin Jun 2012 #65

What fucking good is "increasing the penalties" MicaelS Jun 2012 #7

It's just as good as adding a bunch of new laws slackmaster Jun 2012 #9

Gentlemen! Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #41

Obviously, the gun laws were too weak to prevent the ATF from doing what it did. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #8

It is ALREADY illegal to traffic arms to mexico or anywhere else. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #10

Sorry, your NRA talking points are wrong (again...). DanTex Jun 2012 #11

not exactly gejohnston Jun 2012 #12

Actually, there is no minimum sentence for lying and buying. DanTex Jun 2012 #17

had the intent to lie? gejohnston Jun 2012 #23

That's because one is specifically not needed. Clames Jun 2012 #13

The cluelessness... DanTex Jun 2012 #16

Like William Newell? gejohnston Jun 2012 #19

And Carlos Canillo, Lee Casa, William Forcelli... DanTex Jun 2012 #20

how would it be written? gejohnston Jun 2012 #22

Like this... DanTex Jun 2012 #24

outside of organizer and conspiracy gejohnston Jun 2012 #31

That law would not apply to intrastate manufactured firearms. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #34

Of course, "easily rendered impotent"... LOL DanTex Jun 2012 #36

...infests the anti-gun/pro-gun-control extremist. Clames Jun 2012 #42

How in the world wouldn't ITAR cover people driving guns into mexico? OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #15

First, it's not just a question of whether something is illegal. DanTex Jun 2012 #18

because it is already the law gejohnston Jun 2012 #21

LAws don't "catch and prosecute" anyone. PavePusher Jun 2012 #25

Pay close attention now! DanTex Jun 2012 #27

For some, apparently. n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #28

LOL, I think your word salad is a little ripe/stale... OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #26

add to that gejohnston Jun 2012 #32

Head in the sand... DanTex Jun 2012 #33

If an attorney (or AG) can't prosocute expressly illegal behaviour under clearly worded laws... OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #37

Except the simple laws have obviously not sufficed. DanTex Jun 2012 #38

I understand your argument, "The old laws don't or aren't working"... OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #39

Yes, I can be very specific. DanTex Jun 2012 #40

That PDF is not a bad start. ManiacJoe Jun 2012 #43

The 1968 GCA expressly forbids nonlicensed civilians from exporting/importing firearms OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #44

In other words, you were wrong: there is no law explicitly against gun trafficking. DanTex Jun 2012 #46

Then let them have their redundant law. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #50

Also, just to be clear, I don't find that proposed legislation to be lacking or bad. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #45

If a bunch of people regulating Wall Street banks were to say... DanTex Jun 2012 #47

Apples to oranges. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #49

Only because you are in favor of one right-wing industry lobby and not the other. DanTex Jun 2012 #51

So, why no federal prosecuters? gejohnston Jun 2012 #52

No proof of YOUR claims? That's what I thought. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #53

For the 50th time... DanTex Jun 2012 #55

and once again, the GCA deals with gejohnston Jun 2012 #56

And once again, not it doesn't, as evidenced by the inability of anyone to... DanTex Jun 2012 #57

we have. gejohnston Jun 2012 #59

Go read the 18 USC § 922... I promise you it's already illegal. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #58

Round and round we go! OK, guys, I'm done trying to reason with y'all. DanTex Jun 2012 #60

come with an open mind next time while we explain gejohnston Jun 2012 #61

Mighty rich ... Straw Man Jun 2012 #62

I just noticed something gejohnston Jun 2012 #64

Isnt the prohibited end user at the heart of the Malone bill too? aikoaiko Jun 2012 #54

The law makes it damned difficult to even legally export to a "friendly" country. oneshooter Jun 2012 #48

Yep. Not enough laws. That has to be it. NT. Marinedem Jun 2012 #14

More! Harder! Faster! Deeper!!! PavePusher Jun 2012 #29

The GC&RKBA SOP does not support non-gun porn. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #30

Porn?! PavePusher Jun 2012 #35

This thread is epic... virginia mountainman Jun 2012 #63

At some point the stupidity must be pointed out Spoonman Jun 2012 #66