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In the discussion thread: CHL holder unintentionally kills store clerk, trying to stop armed robbers. [View all]

Response to Atypical Liberal (Reply #73)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:23 PM

Hoyt (12,360 posts)

74. And you believe in the hero fairy that too many gun toters dream of.

Neither you, nor any other gun toter, should be making that decision. Fact is, girl was alive until Joe the toter decided to save his ass first, and shoot the guy in the head like in some friggin TV show. This guy goes home tonight, and within a few weeks will be thinking of his next gun purchase and telling people why they need to pack a gun. He should be in jail.

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89 replies	Author	Time	Post
CHL holder unintentionally kills store clerk, trying to stop armed robbers. [View all]	russ1943	Jun 2012	OP
Civil law is about loss and criminal law	safeinOhio	Jun 2012	#1
I believe Texas	sarisataka	Jun 2012	#2
I'll bet a good lawyer could find him at fault,	safeinOhio	Jun 2012	#3
Assuming the clerk did not step into the line of fire...	ManiacJoe	Jun 2012	#4
Immunity means?	russ1943	Jun 2012	#22
Could be. While common in SYG states,	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#24
If Texas law gives civil immunity	sarisataka	Jun 2012	#34
Charges are probably robbery and felony murder.	ManiacJoe	Jun 2012	#8
Interesting question from the article:	ManiacJoe	Jun 2012	#5
He should have never had a gun to begin with	Gman	Jun 2012	#6
Of course not everyone should have a gun.	Atypical Liberal	Jun 2012	#10
Background checks dont screen for stupidity	Gman	Jun 2012	#12
May I see the result of your...	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#15
We don't have intelligence tests for Constitutional rights.	Atypical Liberal	Jun 2012	#68
This has nothing to do	Meiko	Jun 2012	#14
"Something went terribly wrong" - Yeah, some untrained Matt Dillon-wannabe pulled out his popgun,	apocalypsehow	Jun 2012	#7
Please, post the details you are privy to that were not in the news report.	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#16
Please, post an intellectually honest reply/query and it'll get replied to.	apocalypsehow	Jun 2012	#19
Your biases restrict your vision and perspective.	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#59
Your inability to address the issues raised in the OP is noted, and your refusal to	apocalypsehow	Jun 2012	#65
Since you want to play games, I'll give you two hypotheticals to jump-start your imagination.	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#71
the locking door behind them	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#18
"often means" - "usually means"	apocalypsehow	Jun 2012	#20
It's obvious at least one of them was less concerned about	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#21
Please, post the details you are privy to that were not in the news report.	apocalypsehow	Jun 2012	#25
It was in the news report.	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#26
Simply false.	apocalypsehow	Jun 2012	#28
"It was in the news report"	apocalypsehow	Jun 2012	#30
it seems simple deduction is not your strong suit	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#31
It seems simple that you like to make statements that you are then unable to substantiate.	apocalypsehow	Jun 2012	#50
Or...	sarisataka	Jun 2012	#27
The story does not "continue": the innocent store clerk is dead, at the hands of an	apocalypsehow	Jun 2012	#29
now who is speculating?	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#32
Now who's posting another laughably disproved falsehood? Oh, look!:	apocalypsehow	Jun 2012	#51
I don't see the phrase "Dirty Harry" or "Mat Dillon" in the article	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#76
So you know for a FACT	sarisataka	Jun 2012	#33
When armed robbers lock the door it often means they plan to murder everybody.	GreenStormCloud	Jun 2012	#38
There's that "it often means" stuff again, along with this phenonmenaly callous observation:	apocalypsehow	Jun 2012	#54
Why are you confused over the statistical qualifier "often"?	ManiacJoe	Jun 2012	#57
Why are you so confused by plain English? We KNOW "what actually happened in the store":	apocalypsehow	Jun 2012	#64
Yet we still know almost nothing about the circumstances.	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#72
The sad part is that	ManiacJoe	Jun 2012	#75
And police have never shot innocent bystanders before...	Clames	Jun 2012	#39
Another one of those tragedies gun culture says doesn't happen.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#9
Bingo!	russ1943	Jun 2012	#23
Please show a post here where we say things like this don't happen.	GreenStormCloud	Jun 2012	#37
You know darn well members of gun culture claim they aren't cowboys and don't hit innocent people.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#40
You make an aweful lot of assumptions	ManiacJoe	Jun 2012	#58
CCWer save more innocent lives than we take.	GreenStormCloud	Jun 2012	#61
Psst, Hoyt- your Colon is showing:	friendly_iconoclast	Jun 2012	#89
Sounds to me like CCW holder was trapped in the store with the armed robbers.	Atypical Liberal	Jun 2012	#11
The supposedly law-abiding, responsible, well-trained gun toter was not any of those things.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#41
chances are	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#42
As a former robber, I locked the door to keep people out, especially police.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#43
I'm guessing it did not occur to you that the cops	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#44
Apparently it has not occurred to you that the CHLer is as bad as the robbers.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#47
So you admit you are a criminal, that explains a lot.	MicaelS	Jun 2012	#53
You should admit you can't size up a situation and should be barred from carrying guns.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#55
You know you remind me of that old southern phrase	MicaelS	Jun 2012	#56
Do you keep dossiers on everyone? You'd have to go back quite a while here to pick up	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#60
I just have an excellent memory..	MicaelS	Jun 2012	#63
BTW -- no one else was hurt. So our CHLer managed to shoot a clerk, but robbers got away.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#45
more so than cops	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#46
I know, your brother in arms can do no wrong even if he shoots young lady in head saving his ass.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#48
Yes, I often judge large groups of people by the actions of one individual.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2012	#83
I disagree.	Atypical Liberal	Jun 2012	#67
He tried to save his sorry rear and shot the clerk. I guess he did save his life, at her expense.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#69
The clerk had a gun held to her head.	Atypical Liberal	Jun 2012	#73
And you believe in the hero fairy that too many gun toters dream of.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#74
Get used to it.	Atypical Liberal	Jun 2012	#77
I'm mad when system executes wrong person. Doubly mad when some gun nut does.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#78
Vile.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2012	#79
What would you call shooting innocent young lady in head to save yourself?	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#80
I would call it a "tragic accident". N/T	GreenStormCloud	Jun 2012	#81
Tragic, yes. Accident -- No way.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#85
The only possible way I might agree with you, is if it was intentional.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2012	#82
Yep, let's protect the gun carrying cowboys who shoot innocent people to save their own ass.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#86
Obvious troll is obvious.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2012	#87
It said in the article	Meiko	Jun 2012	#13
And once you discover that the bad guys have locked the door - then what?	GreenStormCloud	Jun 2012	#35
The key I am looking at is	Meiko	Jun 2012	#49
Good answer.	GreenStormCloud	Jun 2012	#62
+1. Wish he didn't have his gun that day.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#70
Tragic! I don't know what the training requirement in Texas is ...	G26	Jun 2012	#17
Yes. In Texas you are responsible for every bullet you fire. N/T	GreenStormCloud	Jun 2012	#36
In most cases in a armed robbery in a store, not pulling your gun is the best option. n-t	Logical	Jun 2012	#52
The CHL holders name is...	GreenStormCloud	Jun 2012	#66
so very sad. My condolences to the Smith Family.	Tuesday Afternoon	Jun 2012	#84
Mine, too.	friendly_iconoclast	Jun 2012	#88

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