Gun Control & RKBA

Nuclear Unicorn

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Reply to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:59 PM

Jun 2012

"I could probably live without the fact that SYG makes the shooter's claim of self defense the truth until proven otherwise."

Yeah, I get where you're coming from but the presumption of innocence is also given to actual criminals as well. I'm comfortable assuming you agree with presumptions of innocence and that leads us to ask just how much heat should "the system" bring down on a person who genuinely defends their safety? Going to trial for a homicide charge of any sort can be devastating to a person's life, career, marriage, family, emotional and physical health. If that person was acting in self defense then they will be ruined just for being innocent and "the system" can bring more resources to bear than the average citizen.

Something to consider.

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What's the big deal with drama in this group? [View all] snooper2 Jun 2012 OP

Why don't people outside their home have a right to self-edefense? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #1

CCL are fine...no change required to law snooper2 Jun 2012 #6

Except if you ever use your CCL pipoman Jun 2012 #56

Not always. oneshooter Jun 2012 #61

SYG does not cover this: PavePusher Jun 2012 #2

That all depends on your safeinOhio Jun 2012 #13

"You seem to be advocating shooting someone that steals something in the back to keep your stuff." PavePusher Jun 2012 #29

You said it. safeinOhio Jun 2012 #43

I believe I have (and should have) the right to refuse any criminal request Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #47

It surely didn't sound like "shoot them in the back". PavePusher Jun 2012 #77

But what you describe isn't a problem with the law as written. NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #31

I don't mind the Stand Your Ground laws. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #3

. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #4

Ambiguous circumstances cas ensnare anyone, really. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #8

Definitely something to consider. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #44

Or even if they are faced with use it or parrish, pipoman Jun 2012 #60

Rights don't come with a free pass through the judicial process. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #72

I aspire to, in fact have achieved in most states, pipoman Jun 2012 #76

AR10's are just too damn big. ileus Jun 2012 #5

Tell me about it... my "AR10" bench rifle is over 15 pounds with scope, bipod, and 20rnd mag. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #7

Memories of Belfast perhaps? gejohnston Jun 2012 #32

I'm missing the reference, here... ? OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #91

My bad, I was thinking of the AR-18 gejohnston Jun 2012 #92

Really pretty simple -- who wants a bunch of yahoos like this parading around in public, around kids Hoyt Jun 2012 #9

Well Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #10

Except this is that, PLUS a gun or two strapped to their bodies. Hoyt Jun 2012 #12

Should I be scared? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #14

Apparently you are if you carry a gun on city streets. n/t Hoyt Jun 2012 #16

None of the pictures you showed are from city streets. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #18

Do you want militia, cowboy, bigoted, or basement arsenal types walking around armed in the city? Hoyt Jun 2012 #21

You can't complain about something that isn't happening.. snooper2 Jun 2012 #24

From the pics you posted it's not an issue. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #25

"Militia" isn't a pejorative. NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #34

The militia types are such wonderful folks camping out hoping to shoot people from Mexico and stuff. Hoyt Jun 2012 #40

I've got no love for the Minuteman project. NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #64

. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #68

You think the majority of people thought violence was the answer to racism? ellisonz Jun 2012 #100

I'm not sure which post you're replying to. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #101

I'm replying to your posting of an image of the Black Panthers... ellisonz Jun 2012 #102

And the violence advocated by militias is pretty thoroughly rejected by whites as well Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #103

The anti-government violence is denounced... ellisonz Jun 2012 #107

What does Mr Horn have to do with Hoyt's assertion that pro-2A = support for Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #108

First off: "pro-2A" is a silly notion. No one is opposed to the Constituion. ellisonz Jun 2012 #110

Hoyt was painting, via false association, that to be pro-2A is to be pro-white racist militia Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #112

I think the entire premise of "pro-2A" is nonsensical. ellisonz Jun 2012 #113

I still don't see what this has to do with Hoyt's dishonest assertion Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #114

I believe you meant sarisataka Jun 2012 #104

And that would be a very poor analogy. ellisonz Jun 2012 #105

So are you claiming... sarisataka Jun 2012 #109

I believe the gun culture... ellisonz Jun 2012 #111

Hoyt knows the truth.... PavePusher Jun 2012 #42

He doesn't tolerate people that don't look or think like him DonP Jun 2012 #50

I "tolerate" almost everyone except those carrying guns in the city. Hoyt Jun 2012 #71

Thank you for illustrating my point so well. DonP Jun 2012 #81

Well, I don't tolerate criminals, particularly those who abuse with a gun (whether convicted). Hoyt Jun 2012 #83

Hoyt's Gun Abuse Severity Test Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #86

I'm not sure I understand. NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #87

Maybe they don't want a hug from you. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #89

Based on the pictures he keeps posting he doesn't seem to like overweight white people. DonP Jun 2012 #90

I've been alive for 37 years and don't remember seeing folks like that parading around in public... snooper2 Jun 2012 #11

I think if it is OK to do a criminal safeinOhio Jun 2012 #15

To be fair Trunk Monkey Jun 2012 #19

Taking your statement at face value Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #20

Because the criminal elemnet of Colorado Trunk Monkey Jun 2012 #33

Many pro-gun people think so too sarisataka Jun 2012 #37

Pretty much a racist collection of pictures. Remmah2 Jun 2012 #22

I know! Right? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #27

and sexist............. Remmah2 Jun 2012 #28

Simple answer DonP Jun 2012 #30

Cause those are only militia and TBag types who arm up. Hoyt Jun 2012 #49

If you say so, gejohnston Jun 2012 #52

Just more ancient BS to scare the gun culture into buying more guns. Hoyt Jun 2012 #54

Ah, white supremacists Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #58

Their mistake was they didn't restrict the hell out of guns for everyone. Hoyt Jun 2012 #63

No mistake, and no oversight. Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #65

I think we could cover most people, at least begin transition to saner gun laws. Hoyt Jun 2012 #69

Like this? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #55

Post # 54 is for you too. Hoyt Jun 2012 #57

No pictures, but there's a black gun club round my way Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #74

Bingo -- Diversity is definitely lacking in the gun culture. Hoyt Jun 2012 #46

Gun shows around here have plenty of non-whites and women. Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #53

Hoyt, you need to get out more. PavePusher Jun 2012 #78

Please provide a photo of you and GC buddies. Hoyt Jun 2012 #79

You are always welcome to come to Tucson and take in a gun show or two. n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #80

At your expense? Otherwise photos please. Hoyt Jun 2012 #84

Generally speaking, taking photos at those events is restricted. PavePusher Jun 2012 #93

I bet it is restricted. Hoyt Jun 2012 #95

Simple? Straw Man Jun 2012 #26

Most gun owners are "yahoos", according to Hoyt.... MicaelS Jun 2012 #82

Don't see any parades sarisataka Jun 2012 #38

I wonder if the huge beer guts are part of the qualifying process. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #45

I've noticed the tendency, and think there is a correlation. Hoyt Jun 2012 #51

Why do you single out overweight persons? mvccd1000 Jun 2012 #85

There aren't that many. How many calories do you burn standing, squeezing a trigger -- not a lot. Hoyt Jun 2012 #97

Cool answer. mvccd1000 Jun 2012 #98

Over weight people will kill for food if need be? L0oniX Jun 2012 #96

Your example of the Texas incident ... spin Jun 2012 #17

To answer your initial question... Clames Jun 2012 #23

actually these same people are going all over DU with their vitriol and making all of DU suck. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #35

Let them whine, let them complain, let them make DU suck... Clames Jun 2012 #39

what last attempt? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #41

When elisonz protested a few threads made here in Meta. Clames Jun 2012 #66

well then --- check this out Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #73

"Let them whine" LOL. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #48

Certain people TRY "to make DU suck", iverglas was the most notorious.. MicaelS Jun 2012 #59

No whining, just observing a fact here. Clames Jun 2012 #67

I disagree gejohnston Jun 2012 #70

and to tack in that direction ... I think I am getting your drift. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #75

Agree 100% n/t MicaelS Jun 2012 #62

in your opinion has the drama gotten worse since the move to DU3 and if so, why? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #36

Just from my brief time here Trunk Monkey Jun 2012 #88

Exactly. n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #94

first topic....dedicated 22lr uppers. ileus Jun 2012 #99

First purse fight... jeepnstein Jun 2012 #106

Judging by the question content of the original post... Bum_Whisperer Jun 2012 #115

LOL, I killed a sow when I was 13 with a thirty-aught-six snooper2 Jun 2012 #117

What's wrong with my AR-10? AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #116