Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: The hijacking of the word "extremists" as it relates to supporters of gun rights. [View all]beevul
(12,194 posts)"The gungeon has many pro-gun extremists. You are a great example."
Wait...what happened to "I stand by my last post entirely", which was you referring to yourself saying this: "Gun extremists are people with absolutely no tolerance for any kind of gun control..."
I guess you don't stand by it after all, huh?
Or is it like I said - your standards change based on non-objective criteria.
Sure looks like they do, to these eyes (and I'm sure I'm not the only one).
"Not only do you come in with this OP tarring gun control advocates as wanting to "ban them all"
I never said nor implied in any way in the OP, that gun control advocates by and large want to "ban them all". Thats either baseless mudslinging on your part, or reading comprehension fail on your part, or both. The reader can make that decision for themselves, and decide how it speaks to your credibility.
And lastly, this little gem:
"you're also one of the people who regularly pushes the loony Fast and Furious conspiracy theories"
Feel free to cite any "loony conspiracy theories" that I've pushed - I'll wait right here.
Meanwhile, I've had this discussion with you in the past, or had you forgotten:
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=7127
And lastly, do you have any idea where the whole "gunwalker" thing coming to light originated?
Nra? nope.
Right wing bloggers? Nope.
Pro-gun community? Nope.
It came from the ATF agents themselves:
http://cleanupatf.org/forums/index.php?/topic/153-atf-operation-gunrunnerfast-furiousphoenix-division/page__st__1100
From an atf agent posting under the name Doc Holliday, and a couple others.
Oh, and look at this:
Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.
In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.
ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.
On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF's Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:
"Bill - can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/
looks like ATF emails show that ATF used at the very least, SOME of the aftermath of fast and furious to *shock* do exactly what the ATF agents on cleanupatf.org said they wanted to do - support a demand letter for multiple gun sales.
I know, I should know better than to use fox CBS as a source, because they're just so right wing and everyone knows it...Just like those ATF agent whistleblowers.