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beevul

(12,194 posts)
55. Yes, you are talking, that for sure.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:49 PM
Jun 2012

"The gungeon has many pro-gun extremists. You are a great example."

Wait...what happened to "I stand by my last post entirely", which was you referring to yourself saying this: "Gun extremists are people with absolutely no tolerance for any kind of gun control..."

I guess you don't stand by it after all, huh?

Or is it like I said - your standards change based on non-objective criteria.

Sure looks like they do, to these eyes (and I'm sure I'm not the only one).

"Not only do you come in with this OP tarring gun control advocates as wanting to "ban them all"

I never said nor implied in any way in the OP, that gun control advocates by and large want to "ban them all". Thats either baseless mudslinging on your part, or reading comprehension fail on your part, or both. The reader can make that decision for themselves, and decide how it speaks to your credibility.


And lastly, this little gem:

"you're also one of the people who regularly pushes the loony Fast and Furious conspiracy theories"

Feel free to cite any "loony conspiracy theories" that I've pushed - I'll wait right here.

Meanwhile, I've had this discussion with you in the past, or had you forgotten:

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=7127

And lastly, do you have any idea where the whole "gunwalker" thing coming to light originated?


Nra? nope.

Right wing bloggers? Nope.

Pro-gun community? Nope.

It came from the ATF agents themselves:

http://cleanupatf.org/forums/index.php?/topic/153-atf-operation-gunrunnerfast-furiousphoenix-division/page__st__1100

From an atf agent posting under the name Doc Holliday, and a couple others.


Oh, and look at this:

Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations

Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.

In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.


ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.


On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF's Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:


"Bill - can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/

looks like ATF emails show that ATF used at the very least, SOME of the aftermath of fast and furious to *shock* do exactly what the ATF agents on cleanupatf.org said they wanted to do - support a demand letter for multiple gun sales.

I know, I should know better than to use fox CBS as a source, because they're just so right wing and everyone knows it...Just like those ATF agent whistleblowers.














It is not right, proper or honest but that has nothing to do with it. Meiko Jun 2012 #1
+1 Kaleva Jun 2012 #10
+1. Well said. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #17
Except the party line (platform) supports RKBA dmallind Jun 2012 #19
Thank You. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #20
excuse me, what do you mean by this phrase: Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #21
The majority of DUer's Meiko Jun 2012 #27
I think you are mistaking a very vocal Few for a more silent majority. All the polls I ever saw at Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #33
I never post in this group Confusious Jun 2012 #2
And thats the predominant characterization. beevul Jun 2012 #3
If I could I would like to point out Meiko Jun 2012 #13
Now I disagree with you Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #18
Oh really? beevul Jun 2012 #22
I have zero interest in how many guns you own or not Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #24
Cumpulsive toter ring a bell? beevul Jun 2012 #29
Your extremism is in your inflammatory rhetoric. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #32
You're right, sometimes, I DO use inflamatory rhetoric. beevul Jun 2012 #34
No, I don't think half the pro-gunners here are extremists. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #54
I have read many times Meiko Jun 2012 #28
Well, Meiko, it's here that we are talking about. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #30
What about protecting your person? Or your family? ileus Jun 2012 #12
Obviously you think we are Confusious Jun 2012 #26
"wanting guns in..."? PavePusher Jun 2012 #43
Terrible try at dressing the issue up, Confusious Jun 2012 #50
Your attempt to ascribe a position to me that I do not hold... PavePusher Jun 2012 #56
Well maybe you should make yourself more clear Confusious Jun 2012 #58
I'll own the term extremist. NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #4
Ahh, yes. There is only ONE "extremist" view, and it's the one you disagree with. Pholus Jun 2012 #5
I am just pointing out... beevul Jun 2012 #7
Growing a thicker skin might help you. Pholus Jun 2012 #9
My skin is plenty thick. beevul Jun 2012 #11
About imagery and questions being begged... Pholus Jun 2012 #14
Figures of speech now make one an extremist? beevul Jun 2012 #23
Sorry you are indeed an extremist. Pholus Jun 2012 #35
Interesting. beevul Jun 2012 #36
Seems to be, doesn't it. Pholus Jun 2012 #38
Anyone dumb enough to own a gun is an extremist. ileus Jun 2012 #6
Extremists never think they're extremists Gman Jun 2012 #8
+1. Hoyt Jun 2012 #15
Spoken like a true anti-gun extremist. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #16
LOL DanTex Jun 2012 #25
This, is exactly what I'm talking about. beevul Jun 2012 #31
I stand by my last post entirely. DanTex Jun 2012 #40
I'm glad you do. beevul Jun 2012 #49
And you are exactly what I am talking about! DanTex Jun 2012 #51
Yes, you are talking, that for sure. beevul Jun 2012 #55
Such fine dance moves you have... PavePusher Jun 2012 #57
Such a view would be considered extremist on a Democratic website Kaleva Jun 2012 #37
I was talking about a handgun ban, not a ban on all guns. DanTex Jun 2012 #39
Sorry. My mistake. Kaleva Jun 2012 #41
Thanks. Yes, I agree, DU is to the left of the "average" Democrat. DanTex Jun 2012 #42
out of couriosity gejohnston Jun 2012 #44
It's an analogy. I didn't say they were mutually exclusive. DanTex Jun 2012 #52
Most don't have total bans gejohnston Jun 2012 #53
He's not against ObamaCare and he's very pro-union. Kaleva Jun 2012 #45
not to mention this guy gejohnston Jun 2012 #46
+1 ellisonz Jun 2012 #47
In the last week alone, Oneka Jun 2012 #48
In order to determine "extremists" needledriver Jun 2012 #59
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