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gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
65. I don't think so
Sat May 19, 2012, 09:34 PM
May 2012
The notion of "gun rights" perpetuates the "us versus them mentality, in the same way that borders do.
but gun rights existed before "antis", therefore it is the antis that are the dividers. Urban vs rural, us vs them, "civilized" vs "savages". Lately, thanks the latest trial and lynching by media, false accusations of racism claiming that any exculpatory evidence is "corporate media joining the defense team", which is a common theme in the posts here for example.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002700580
That is not liberal in my view. It is not in Bertrand Russell's view either, since it violates his ten commandments for teachers.
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2012/05/bertrand-russells-10-commandments-for.html

I think criminologist James Wright put it best in front of the House Subcommittee on Crime of the Committee on the Judiciary:

[10. GUNS ARE PART OF THE AMERICAN CULTURE]

And then, finally, my tenth observation is that guns are
important elements of our history and our culture. Attempts to
control crime by regulating the ownership or use of firearms are
attempts to regulate the artifacts and activities of a culture that
in its own way is as unique as any of the other myriad cultures that
comprise the American ethnic mosaic. This is what is referred to as
the American gun culture, about which many have written, and, I
believe it remains among the least understood of any of the various
subcultural strands that make up modern society.
The existence and characteristics of the American gun culture
also have implications that are rarely appreciated. For one, gun
control deals with matters that people feel strongly about, that are
part of their background, and their heritage, and their upbringing
...and their worldview. Advocates for gun control are frequently
taken aback by the stridency with which their seemingly modest and
sensible proposals are attacked. But from the gun culture's point
of view, restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms amount to
the systematic destruction of a valued way of life, and are, in that
sense, a form of cultural genocide. Scholars, and criminologists,
and legislators, who speculate on the problem of guns and crime
and violence would, I think, profit to look at things, at least
occasionally, from the gun culture's point of view.
There are about 50,000,000 U.S. families who own firearms, and
hardly any of these families have ever harmed anyone with their
guns, and virtually none ever intend to. Nearly everything these
families will ever do with their guns is both legal, and largely
innocuous. So when we advocate restrictions on their rights to own
guns, as a means to fighting crime, we are casting aspersions on
their decency, as though we somehow hold them responsible for
the crime and violence that plague the nation. Is it any wonder
they object often loudly and vociferously to such slander?


ooh! soo cool!!! Skittles May 2012 #1
Leave your bigotry at another website. n/t PavePusher May 2012 #2
Bigotry? What bigotry? Starboard Tack May 2012 #4
Bigotry was used to make the sarcastic point. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #7
Oh, you think the Yeehaw was directed at the women? Starboard Tack May 2012 #10
It was directed at all gun owners, women included. N/T GreenStormCloud May 2012 #47
I think it was directed at those who cheer for more guns on the street. Starboard Tack May 2012 #52
Do you really think that only southern rednecks are in favor of shall-issue CC? GreenStormCloud May 2012 #54
No, there are rednecks and others around the country who favor it. Starboard Tack May 2012 #60
I think it would be nice if the poster would explain theirself as they are the only one who really Tuesday Afternoon May 2012 #59
actually, I think it is the other way around -- Tuesday Afternoon May 2012 #46
Have you been following this thread? Starboard Tack May 2012 #61
Progressive women get it... ileus May 2012 #3
Correct! Progressive women don't succumb to NRA propaganda. Starboard Tack May 2012 #5
You're right... progressive women should just give up armueller2001 May 2012 #38
What a sick bunch of options Starboard Tack May 2012 #43
You're the one who wants to remove one of her options. N/T GreenStormCloud May 2012 #48
Which one would that be? Starboard Tack May 2012 #50
You want to remover her option to be armed with a gun. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #53
My wife is a Progressive women, a gun owner... eqfan592 May 2012 #40
I'm sure she has her reasons. Starboard Tack May 2012 #44
This is true. eqfan592 May 2012 #56
"Progressive" is a subjective term Starboard Tack May 2012 #58
The mere concept of a person having a right to carry... eqfan592 May 2012 #62
The right, IMO, should not be open to debate. Starboard Tack May 2012 #64
I don't think so gejohnston May 2012 #65
Great post! +1 nt eqfan592 May 2012 #66
I like it! James Wright nails it on a regular basis. Simo 1939_1940 May 2012 #68
Detroit city services have abandoned residents Union Scribe May 2012 #76
I hear you. Detroit is definitely in a bad situation. Starboard Tack May 2012 #77
Socially acceptable! Really? Starboard Tack May 2012 #6
depends on the society gejohnston May 2012 #8
I have no problem with cultural relativism. Starboard Tack May 2012 #13
Society is changing. You just don't like the change. N/T GreenStormCloud May 2012 #18
Then you can prove the report and interviews to be false? N/T GreenStormCloud May 2012 #9
No, I'm not saying the report is false Starboard Tack May 2012 #11
The increasing numbers of women are getting CCWs is certainly a new item. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #12
No, I object to men who justify their own behavior Starboard Tack May 2012 #15
The OP was about women choosing. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #16
The story was about women "packing heat" Starboard Tack May 2012 #19
I applaud personal empowerment gejohnston May 2012 #20
Me too. Starboard Tack May 2012 #22
The problem with some cities gejohnston May 2012 #24
I'm on board with everything you say Starboard Tack May 2012 #26
Feelings of empowerment come from having actual power. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #37
As usual it comes down to your hatred of guns. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #21
Nonsense. I have no hatred of guns, just stupidity Starboard Tack May 2012 #23
Hoping that the bad guys will take it easy on you... Clames May 2012 #25
Hoping the "bad guys" will take it easy on you is naive. Starboard Tack May 2012 #27
I disagree gejohnston May 2012 #28
I said routinely carrying. Starboard Tack May 2012 #30
speaking of blood gejohnston May 2012 #32
Huh? Starboard Tack May 2012 #33
elementry gejohnston May 2012 #34
CC has worked out extremely well in the dozens of states that have shall-issue. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #29
Blood doesn't flow in rivers Starboard Tack May 2012 #31
I never claimed that blood did flow in rivers. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #35
I am offended that you think I harbor ill will toward your wife. Starboard Tack May 2012 #36
You're the one who wants to disarm her. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #49
I have never wanted to disarm anyone, especially your wife. Starboard Tack May 2012 #51
You must have a really good crystal ball. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #55
No, I don't believe in crystal balls. Starboard Tack May 2012 #57
You probably aren't a prime target. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #69
That's correct and it's something I learned at a young age and it's very primal. Starboard Tack May 2012 #70
That doesn't always work 100% of the time. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #71
Of course. Nothing in life is guaranteed, including using a gun successfully for SD. Starboard Tack May 2012 #72
I am trying to understand your position, but you lose me at points. TPaine7 May 2012 #63
OK, I'll attempt to explain my position. Starboard Tack May 2012 #75
Now I not only understand, I actually respect your personal reasoning. TPaine7 May 2012 #78
Thank you for both a thoughtful and respectful response. Starboard Tack May 2012 #79
I think refusing to take personal responsibility armueller2001 May 2012 #39
Couldn't agree more Starboard Tack May 2012 #42
that is the best description of the corporate media gejohnston May 2012 #14
Interesting. You have good taste. Starboard Tack May 2012 #17
"UK gun laws may well suck, but they are good for the UK." eqfan592 May 2012 #41
It really isn't arguable in the UK Starboard Tack May 2012 #45
It is completely arguable. eqfan592 May 2012 #67
Of course it is arguable in the sense that anything is arguable. Starboard Tack May 2012 #73
on public safety, gejohnston May 2012 #74
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