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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
14. I was giving context.
Thu May 3, 2012, 10:24 AM
May 2012

Drunk driving is a major safety hazard, and takes a huge death toll. Everyone knows this. Many people know somebody personally affected by a drunk driving accident. I do. So it's useful to point out that guns kill three times as many.

It's really kind of grotesque to watch you try and downplay 30,000 annual deaths. That's a huge number. Of course, guns aren't the only way people die, and most people don't die from guns. No kidding.

The point you seem to be missing is that we can both fight disease and gun violence. If there were a pro-Parkinson's disease lobby that used congressional influence to stop funding for research into Parkinson's disease, and insisted that Parkinson's disease was part of the "price we pay for freedom", I'd say they were nuts.

Those damn guns always killing people. ileus May 2012 #1
"But, but, but."..... TheCowsCameHome May 2012 #2
Ok, wait. NewMoonTherian May 2012 #72
Can you put that number in context? hack89 May 2012 #3
I think a peron commiting suicide would think twice if he didn't have a gun handy. Slicing ones demosincebirth May 2012 #5
So do countries with low gun ownership rates have lower sucide rates? hack89 May 2012 #6
Silly hack89, don't you realize non-gun suicide victims aren't as dead as gun suicide victims? friendly_iconoclast May 2012 #28
Well one thing is for sure, it doesn't make near as much noise noluv4hyps May 2012 #83
You're absolutely right. DanTex May 2012 #9
Low gun states tend to have... krispos42 May 2012 #22
That may be true. DanTex May 2012 #32
It is true. krispos42 May 2012 #56
So education, poverty and access to mental health care are the same in each state? hack89 May 2012 #29
In Japan, the non-gun suicide rate is higher than *all* our murder and suicide rates combined friendly_iconoclast May 2012 #30
Those people are equally dead. You had a point? DanTex May 2012 #33
Most suicides I see... jeepnstein May 2012 #12
At least when you take an over-dose of pain killers to commit suicide you have time to demosincebirth May 2012 #49
It is not a matter of re thinking gejohnston May 2012 #51
Who knows how many have changed their mind before hanging themselves or jumping in front of demosincebirth May 2012 #69
those would be the same ones gejohnston May 2012 #70
that argument is nonsense. demosincebirth May 2012 #76
How so? gejohnston May 2012 #77
You may be confusing the two groups of suiciders. ManiacJoe May 2012 #78
I give up. nt demosincebirth May 2012 #79
Right, 'cause that's the only other method available.... PavePusher May 2012 #24
There are many easy, painless, ways to kill one's self. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #34
pills...easy peasy. gas...easy peasy. pills and alcohol easy peasy. Tuesday Afternoon May 2012 #93
There are several types that shouldn't be included. ileus May 2012 #7
Context: DanTex May 2012 #10
Why do you vastly understate the death toll from alcohol? Why ignore the death toll from drugs? hack89 May 2012 #13
I was giving context. DanTex May 2012 #14
We are not talking actions. We are talking agents. hack89 May 2012 #16
We have obviously not been very successful at fighting gun violence. DanTex May 2012 #17
That is because of our stupid war on drugs. hack89 May 2012 #18
Drugs are illegal in most other countries as well. The big difference is gun availability. DanTex May 2012 #19
How is an alcoholic drinking himself to death different from a suicide? hack89 May 2012 #21
Here's my problem with your number krispos42 May 2012 #25
make the assertion, provide the substantiation iverglas May 2012 #26
In recent years... krispos42 May 2012 #55
I could agree that the substitution rate is probably greater than 0%. DanTex May 2012 #57
when you start with a false premise iverglas May 2012 #59
Seems to be bright lines between accidents (a few hundred) and murder and suicide, which split the AtheistCrusader May 2012 #31
You carefully selected your context... NewMoonTherian May 2012 #73
How about them crazy bathtubs, the real killers? Starboard Tack May 2012 #36
I saw that article as very reflective of the gun control attitude in America hack89 May 2012 #40
You saw Japanese bathtub deaths as "very reflective of the gun control attitude in America" Starboard Tack May 2012 #43
No - society's attitudes as to what is dangerous and what is accepted. hack89 May 2012 #44
Deep bathtubs might be more dangerous. I think I get it. Starboard Tack May 2012 #46
No you don't get it. hack89 May 2012 #47
19308+11015+600=/=31513 Taitertots May 2012 #4
Bathtubs Starboard Tack May 2012 #37
Well Old Codger May 2012 #8
That's nothing compared to those bathtub killers Starboard Tack May 2012 #38
HMMMMM Meiko May 2012 #11
How many smoke themselves to death in the bathtub? Starboard Tack May 2012 #39
just one little note (edited) iverglas May 2012 #15
This poster is no longer with us. Clames May 2012 #103
Oh no, Paco! X_Digger May 2012 #104
Your point? HALO141 May 2012 #20
Guns are evil, I think. nt hack89 May 2012 #23
That's the price we pay for the freedom to own firearms. Atypical Liberal May 2012 #27
Not so. It's the price we all pay when fools use firearms around other people. Starboard Tack May 2012 #41
So tell us how to distinguish the responsible from the irresponsible hack89 May 2012 #45
My pleasure. Here are a few pointers. Starboard Tack May 2012 #48
No - I mean how do you write laws that distinguish between the two hack89 May 2012 #50
I'm not big on writing laws and legislation is not always the answer. Starboard Tack May 2012 #52
It won't be an election issue if Democrats leave well enough alone. hack89 May 2012 #54
I appreciate your maturity. NewMoonTherian May 2012 #74
One issue sarisataka May 2012 #61
I'm not going either, but if I had no choice. Starboard Tack May 2012 #62
You are suggesting that a responsible person can predict when he might need his firearm ... spin May 2012 #84
Needs lesson in geography. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #86
I have 3 suggestions for you Starboard Tack May 2012 #87
I personally hate shopping at Walmart ... spin May 2012 #88
Sounds like you'll be fine Starboard Tack May 2012 #89
have to ask gejohnston May 2012 #90
I really couldn't say Starboard Tack May 2012 #91
A Chevy Volt would gejohnston May 2012 #95
I like the Chevy volt Starboard Tack May 2012 #96
why not long distance? gejohnston May 2012 #97
The Volt only runs on it's electric motor. Starboard Tack May 2012 #98
OK you convinced me gejohnston May 2012 #99
The reason I avoid Walmart is that I dislike big box stores ... spin May 2012 #92
That's right. And as long as we have easy access to firearms... Atypical Liberal May 2012 #60
When was the last time a gun killed someone? ileus May 2012 #35
Just before the bathtub, or was it the knife, or the foot, or the car. Starboard Tack May 2012 #42
who other than gun control advocates view gejohnston May 2012 #53
Another reminder... Clames May 2012 #58
Are drive by shootings included w/car statistics or firearm statistics? nt Remmah2 May 2012 #81
So what would you propose to "fix" this "problem"? crayfish May 2012 #63
Just a question: discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #65
Ohhhh...I didn't even notice that, thank you for pointing it out. I need to learn how to read crayfish May 2012 #66
think nothing of it discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #68
The OP's usual M.O.... Clames May 2012 #71
Thanks, I would never have guessed. ;) discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #75
Are you advocating... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #64
Where's the spammer from Italy when we need him? ileus May 2012 #67
Hey, yeah, I haven't seen him around in awhile. LAGC May 2012 #80
Then maybe the guns should go to jail and the people should be exonerated noluv4hyps May 2012 #82
Did those guns need help to kill those 31k, or did they do it on their own? ileus May 2012 #85
Fiction: The Personification of Inanimate Objects by jpak Tuesday Afternoon May 2012 #94
33,800 people killed in auto wrecks (2009) BiggJawn May 2012 #100
OMG LETS BAN CARS gendoikari87 May 2012 #102
19000? gendoikari87 May 2012 #101
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