Baths kill more Japanese then guns kill Americans [View all]

Japan's health ministry is to launch an investigation into bath-time fatalities after it was estimated that 14,000 people die every year in the tub - three times as many as those who died in car accidents.

Local authorities' data suggests most of the deaths were attributable to drowning, heart palpitations, heart attacks and subarachnoid haemorrhages, the Mainichi newspaper reported.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/9235564/Probe-into-Japanese-bathtub-fatalities-after-14000-die-in-one-year.html

About 8700 Americans were murdered by firearms last year.

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Baths kill more Japanese then guns kill Americans [View all]	hack89	May 2012	OP
Clearly, we need to ban something.	Callisto32	May 2012	#1
Suicide in the tub	thelordofhell	May 2012	#2
Unlikely, Japan has never really had much of a suicide taboo.	TheWraith	May 2012	#10
IMO a relatively useless, ironically humorous statistic that serves to give a broader perspective	slackmaster	May 2012	#3
guns kill far fewer Japanese than they do Americans	CreekDog	May 2012	#4
Just like Americans, they downplay the real killers	hack89	May 2012	#8
you're saying bathtub slippages are murders?	CreekDog	May 2012	#22
Are you always this obtuse?	hack89	May 2012	#25
would you advocate safer bathtubs?	CreekDog	May 2012	#30
I would advocate society concentrating on the real threats to life. nt	hack89	May 2012	#82
You must be kidding - Bathtubs?	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#149
So the actual death toll is irrelevant? At least you are honest. nt	hack89	May 2012	#156
another ridiculous straw man......	bowens43	May 2012	#5
Damn - I didn't realize how humor impaired this forum has become. nt	hack89	May 2012	#7
Yeah, because the OP was just so hilarious!	DanTex	May 2012	#23
Not all of us don a hair shirt every day. nt	hack89	May 2012	#26
Was that supposed to be funny also?	DanTex	May 2012	#27
Do you understand what a hair shirt is and why they were worn? nt	hack89	May 2012	#29
Maybe an example would help you out.	DanTex	May 2012	#43
You do wear one! nt	hack89	May 2012	#83
Well here's a pot calling the kettle black.	Clames	May 2012	#101
mods please move this thread	Enrique	May 2012	#6
So do you pick up the tub to kill someone else with it or use furniture polish... nt	Pholus	May 2012	#9
Just like Americans, they downplay the real killers in their society	hack89	May 2012	#11
I control my time in a bathtub. I have to trust YOU with your gun. Prove you're trustworthy...	Pholus	May 2012	#12
I have to trust you with your car - prove you're trustworthy...	hack89	May 2012	#13
My car is registered. Passing cops can automatically run my tag with a scanner.	Pholus	May 2012	#14
But none of those are required if you don't drive on public streets.	hack89	May 2012	#15
Add gun liability insurance and I might relax.	Pholus	May 2012	#16
Why? Does car insurance make the roads safer? nt	hack89	May 2012	#18
Yes it does as it provides economic incentives to keep driving safer.	Pholus	May 2012	#20
So perhaps in the case of gun violence, we need to make criminals carry insurance?	hack89	May 2012	#24
Naw, auto insurance simply absorbs the cost of nonpayers with higher rates.	Pholus	May 2012	#34
Most people who own guns DO carry liability insurance, and anyone who rents or owns a home SHOULD	slackmaster	May 2012	#51
If it covers accidents away from your home as well then you have all I ask.	Pholus	May 2012	#63
Yes, as do most homeowner's and renter's policies	slackmaster	May 2012	#69
Registration didn't stop Karst Tates	Marengo	May 2012	#58
And assassinating the Dutch royal family is relevant how again?	Pholus	May 2012	#76
In the exceedingly unlikely event you do not understand the point...	Marengo	May 2012	#86
Because if I were so inclined a gun would be easier.	Pholus	May 2012	#97
You've answered nothing, which doesn't surprise	Marengo	May 2012	#103
Obviously you fail when it comes to tool use.	Pholus	May 2012	#122
Design and intended purpose of the tool used is entirely irrelevant	Marengo	May 2012	#124
Logic FTW. Why don't you ride your bathrug to work now... Bwahaha.	Pholus	May 2012	#125
Dodge, eh? Back to the issue: Are you arguing that a car CANNOT be used as a weapon?	Marengo	May 2012	#127
No. Chevy! So why don't you defend your house with your car?	Pholus	May 2012	#128
Please cite where I actually stated such a position	Marengo	May 2012	#131
And I quote:	Pholus	May 2012	#138
And you fail...	Marengo	May 2012	#140
Please also provide a cite to prove what you assume I "must believe"	Marengo	May 2012	#141
I'm back. Deliberate obtuseness is NOT a debating skill.	Pholus	May 2012	#157
Your bob and weave routine doesn't change the fact that your points in Post 14 were discredited...	Marengo	May 2012	#158
This from one who cannot answer ONE simple question.	Pholus	May 2012	#159
LOL! Why do you persist in making ME the subject?	Marengo	May 2012	#160
By the way, didn't you say you were done with this conversation?	Marengo	May 2012	#161
I was until I saw the NUMBER of reply posts you made.	Pholus	May 2012	#162
It has been fun, especially your comical attempts to detour the conversation away...	Marengo	May 2012	#167
And all I have seen from you	Pholus	May 2012	#172
If you are leveling an accusation, it would be advisable to ensure	Marengo	May 2012	#174
As I thought, emotional...	Pholus	May 2012	#176
Please cite a specific example of where I have expressed....	Marengo	May 2012	#177
Pardon me...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2012	#163
No problem. Sadly, you're doing the same thing.	Pholus	May 2012	#165
Uh, In post 14, did you state that registration would prevent you...	Marengo	May 2012	#171
Not knowing...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	May 2012	#173
A very good discussion!	Pholus	May 2012	#175
Yes, you are done, as your claim of "trustworthiness" through registration...	Marengo	May 2012	#145
Oh, a bit of friendly advice: Pretending not to understand a clear point...	Marengo	May 2012	#129
When it comes to clarity, I'm not the guy confusing Japanese bathtubs with firearms. nt	Pholus	May 2012	#130
Uh Huh...	Marengo	May 2012	#132
Sure. I'm not the guy who thinks I can rub someone out with a volvo at will. nt	Pholus	May 2012	#134
Uh, are you claiming it can't happen?	Marengo	May 2012	#135
No, but unlike you I understand which is more likely. nt	Pholus	May 2012	#136
Likeliness is a non-issue...	Marengo	May 2012	#144
Would you anti-gun people please make up your minds?	shadowrider	May 2012	#164
Dude, you must be THIS TALL before posting...	Pholus	May 2012	#166
sure, i'll register my car, get licensed, agree to follow the laws and carry insurance	CreekDog	May 2012	#31
car registration	gejohnston	May 2012	#33
so your answer is "no"	CreekDog	May 2012	#35
some places do	gejohnston	May 2012	#37
You really don't want to go there - But we'd love treating guns like cars.	DonP	May 2012	#38
nice strawman	CreekDog	May 2012	#39
No strawman. The conversation is to treat guns like cars, right?	shadowrider	May 2012	#42
not a carbon copy	CreekDog	May 2012	#46
So in your opinion, treat cars and guns the same, only different	shadowrider	May 2012	#47
Hey, it was your BIG idea	DonP	May 2012	#48
Just like "tubs and guns" I guess. Some analogies are OBVIOUSLY more equal than others.	Pholus	May 2012	#49
I don't expect much from the control side of the discussion and I'm seldom disappointed	DonP	May 2012	#53
Well said. I think that a good percentage of restriction supporters know their cause is lost.	Simo 1939_1940	May 2012	#59
Hey, I don't expect much from the freeloaders either	Pholus	May 2012	#64
I notice you didn't mention buy liability insurance though.	Pholus	May 2012	#50
Ha! Yes, because licensing guns like cars is such an original suggestion	DonP	May 2012	#54
At least I use my own words.	Pholus	May 2012	#62
Ill informed, bitter and a bad haircut is no way to go through life	DonP	May 2012	#67
No wonder you parrot what other people say...	Pholus	May 2012	#75
Just like a car, none of that applies to my gun in my house and not carried in public	hack89	May 2012	#154
I prove it every day.	jeepnstein	May 2012	#137
I don't have to prove that I am trustworthy. You have to prove that I am not.	oneshooter	May 2012	#155
Every two years guns kill as many Americans as died in Vietnam.	DanTex	May 2012	#17
How many MONTHS does it take for alcohol or tobacco to kill that many?	hack89	May 2012	#19
Yeah, Vietnam was blown way out of proportion...	DanTex	May 2012	#21
Yet I see no proposed laws to ban the use of alcohol and tobacco	hack89	May 2012	#28
there are lots of laws about alcohol and tobacco	CreekDog	May 2012	#32
don't know much about gun laws do you?	gejohnston	May 2012	#45
There are more.for guns	hack89	May 2012	#56
Not a ban, just a rational balance between individual rights and public safety.	DanTex	May 2012	#36
A rational balance between individual rights and public safety to be decided by anti-gun people?	shadowrider	May 2012	#40
Yes, and let's let drunk people write the drunk driving laws.	DanTex	May 2012	#44
They do	sarisataka	May 2012	#52
Sigh.	Straw Man	May 2012	#73
Snark is no substitute for logic.	DanTex	May 2012	#74
Snark and logic can co-exist.	Straw Man	May 2012	#78
If only you were capable of logic.	DanTex	May 2012	#80
Who's snarky now? But your logic fails.	Straw Man	May 2012	#81
Not God. Just google and some common sense.	DanTex	May 2012	#85
Did I hear you correctly?	Straw Man	May 2012	#87
Note to self: not all people are capable of abstract thought.	DanTex	May 2012	#88
Oh, was there an abstraction in there?	Straw Man	May 2012	#90
Hint: the word "responsible" was in quotations.	DanTex	May 2012	#91
Which changes nothing.	Straw Man	May 2012	#94
LOL. Try again!	DanTex	May 2012	#95
You'll have to do better than that.	Straw Man	May 2012	#98
I guess you weren't just playing dumb...	DanTex	May 2012	#100
Was that supposed to be substantive?	Straw Man	May 2012	#105
Your analysis was "you must be joking". Did I get that right?	DanTex	May 2012	#107
Yes, Dan, you did.	Straw Man	May 2012	#111
In my "rarefied intellectual circles", people actually back their accusations with reason.	DanTex	May 2012	#113
OK, now we're back on track.	Straw Man	May 2012	#117
You're wrong. Mostly.	DanTex	May 2012	#119
You still can't see it, can you.	Straw Man	May 2012	#142
Sorry, you're the one who isn't following.	DanTex	May 2012	#143
And around and around.	Straw Man	May 2012	#146
OK, this is getting boring and repetitive.	DanTex	May 2012	#148
So you're done?	Straw Man	May 2012	#151
I would like to see the actuall study and methods	gejohnston	May 2012	#89
You're just a regressive denier.	DanTex	May 2012	#92
a phone survey in a few states	gejohnston	May 2012	#93
Your favorite survey of all time was also done in the 1990s.	DanTex	May 2012	#96
but it was done by a real scientist	gejohnston	May 2012	#99
LOL! A "real scientist in an objective manner"	DanTex	May 2012	#102
In other words,	gejohnston	May 2012	#104
Yeah, Dan has pretty much run out of ...	Straw Man	May 2012	#106
Well, I do have a peer-reviewed study, which, as usual, you are desperately trying to deny.	DanTex	May 2012	#108
so was mine.	gejohnston	May 2012	#109
Hey, you were the one who said I had nothing of substance. That wasn't nice! Or true!	DanTex	May 2012	#110
I don't know if they do or not	gejohnston	May 2012	#112
Hey! You took the first cheap shot at a researcher and professor!	DanTex	May 2012	#114
he is an ER doctor	gejohnston	May 2012	#115
See, there's another cheap shot!	DanTex	May 2012	#116
what gun blogs do you read?	gejohnston	May 2012	#118
Of course it's a cheap shot.	DanTex	May 2012	#120
which are very few people	gejohnston	May 2012	#121
So what measure do you use to determine who is worthy of owning a gun or not?	hack89	May 2012	#84
I cling to my tub. I am a tub nut. I strap one or two tubs on before I leave the house.	Common Sense Party	May 2012	#41
Also known as "The Adhesive Duck Deficiency"...	EX500rider	May 2012	#55
Explaining it made it way less funny.	Callisto32	May 2012	#61
so?	iverglas	May 2012	#57
Maybe someone's suggesting you need a bath. nt	Remmah2	May 2012	#70
That includes people who died of natural causes while in the tub	Taitertots	May 2012	#60
Time to ban indoor plumbing...	ileus	May 2012	#65
I see the usual suspects	bongbong	May 2012	#66
Aha!	DonP	May 2012	#68
LOL	bongbong	May 2012	#79
Yet you still tuck one away before venturing out.	Hoyt	May 2012	#71
Very rarely. I live in a very safe area. nt	hack89	May 2012	#168
Well, you are one of the first to realize you don't have to pack everywhere.	Hoyt	May 2012	#169
Many here have said that. You have just ignored them. nt	hack89	May 2012	#170
Having spent	Meiko	May 2012	#72
They'll have to pry off my cold, wet hands	LiberalEsto	May 2012	#77
Between tubs and guns, which one killed while performing their intended purpose?	Pholus	May 2012	#123
Guns are only useful for murdering people?	hack89	May 2012	#126
I appreciate your point. This point, not your OP.	Pholus	May 2012	#133
The problem with new laws is that they are aimed at the wrong people	hack89	May 2012	#139
I guess suicides don't count as deaths.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#147
Suicides are not accidental or criminals deaths.	hack89	May 2012	#150
Who said they were?	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#152
Why don't you wait until the next literal, simplistic black and white thread then?	hack89	May 2012	#153