Gun Control & RKBA

TPaine7

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30. "Guns take far more lives than they save."

Reply to DanTex (Reply #27)

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 08:52 PM

Apr 2012

Can you prove that (even using Hemenway and Joyce Foundation scholars)?

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Should gun rights be subject to cost benefit analysis? [View all] TPaine7 Apr 2012 OP

Of course. DanTex Apr 2012 #1

I can appreciate the perspective... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #2

Not overnight... DanTex Apr 2012 #3

and the question is iverglas Apr 2012 #6

I understand your view... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #12

Guns, per se, are not the issue. TPaine7 Apr 2012 #4

That's a cost-benefit analysis. DanTex Apr 2012 #8

if you have the right defend yourself gejohnston Apr 2012 #9

You know as well as I do that there are many cases where guns have been used for self defense TPaine7 Apr 2012 #10

No I don't. DanTex Apr 2012 #14

Well you're entitled to your opinion, I guess. TPaine7 Apr 2012 #16

There's that meme again. TPaine7 Apr 2012 #11

That's another cost-benefit analysis by you. DanTex Apr 2012 #15

Guns have become more easily accessible while lethal violence has fallen. TPaine7 Apr 2012 #17

So? DanTex Apr 2012 #19

"Are you trying to claim that this somehow disproves the extensive evidence that gun availability in TPaine7 Apr 2012 #21

You seem to think, like iverglas, that the OP condemns all cost benefit analyses pertaining to guns. TPaine7 Apr 2012 #18

+100 Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #52

Pleading for your life is a First Amendment right n/t TPaine7 Apr 2012 #53

And your point is? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #55

You are off subject. TPaine7 May 2012 #63

I said nothing about pleading or groveling. Starboard Tack May 2012 #64

You said nothing, that is certain. Clames May 2012 #65

I believe that the FBI... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #66

The National Crime Survey as well. Simo 1939_1940 May 2012 #68

Thanks for the link :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #69

Maybe not for you. Keep your gun. Starboard Tack May 2012 #70

Are you serious gejohnston Apr 2012 #54

The gun is best when all else fails. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #56

In your case, gejohnston Apr 2012 #57

I wasn't thinking of those times. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #59

As long as you realize... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #58

Absolutely! Like a tennis racket has it's place. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #60

That depends on which Wimbledon you go to. oneshooter Apr 2012 #61

Hmmmm... TPaine7 May 2012 #62

the idiocy, of course, iverglas Apr 2012 #5

Yawn, a simple minded answer from iverglas... What's new? TPaine7 Apr 2012 #7

using your own dictionary as usual iverglas Apr 2012 #23

Really. You're going to accuse me of using homemade definitions? TPaine7 Apr 2012 #25

This just caught my eye. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #13

Informative poll bongbong Apr 2012 #20

Consult the latest polls. TPaine7 Apr 2012 #22

snork iverglas Apr 2012 #35

Fallacy. PavePusher Apr 2012 #49

Huh? bongbong Apr 2012 #51

As long as 2A is law, I say no. However, Glaug-Eldare Apr 2012 #24

True, all law is subject to review, including the Constitution itself. TPaine7 Apr 2012 #29

The essential reality is... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #26

What about my right not to get hit by a stray bullet? DanTex Apr 2012 #27

Whose stray bullets hit you Glaug-Eldare Apr 2012 #28

More gun availability leads to more lethal violence. DanTex Apr 2012 #31

That's just not the case, though Glaug-Eldare Apr 2012 #32

Yes it is. DanTex Apr 2012 #33

If I handed you a gun, would you murder somebody? Glaug-Eldare Apr 2012 #34

Gun availability *to criminals* is not the only factor, but it is definitely one factor. n/t TPaine7 Apr 2012 #36

"Guns take far more lives than they save." TPaine7 Apr 2012 #30

The numbers are roughly: 30,000 gun deaths every year... DanTex Apr 2012 #38

A simple "no" would have been enough n/t TPaine7 Apr 2012 #40

But that wouldn't have been the truth! DanTex Apr 2012 #41

"but even 10% is completely implausible." PavePusher Apr 2012 #50

Like you have a clue. Clames May 2012 #67

Your "right" to not be shot... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #37

No it's not. DanTex Apr 2012 #39

The law cannot prevent your being shot, it can only punish the shooter. TPaine7 Apr 2012 #44

The law can make it much less likely though. DanTex Apr 2012 #45

There's a small impediment to your utopia--the will of the American people. TPaine7 Apr 2012 #46

The law can make your death by unnatural causes much less likely by not only banning guns TPaine7 Apr 2012 #47

so what discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #48

What would you do Meiko Apr 2012 #43

Don't expect an answer. They like to cry and moan and wring their hands oneshooter May 2012 #71

I guess it depends on who's doing the CBA. rrneck Apr 2012 #42