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Mon Apr 23, 2012, 02:48 PM

gejohnston (12,590 posts)

82. I think he leaves out

a lot. That said, when did the SCOTUS ever support the collective rights theory? One that is independent of "states rights" (that the BoR is only as good as the state you live in.) You mentioned "states rights" that also applied to the first and 14th Amendments. True, that was not the case of Miller, which both sides claim as their victory. Miller, most likely, did not actually didn't do anything other than not overturning NFA.
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183 replies	Author	Time	Post
New Yorker magazine has an interesting article about history of 2nd amendment, NRA and gun control [View all]	rgbecker	Apr 2012	OP
to "bare" arms has to do with the first amendment -	DrDan	Apr 2012	#1
LOL!	rgbecker	Apr 2012	#2
So that grizzly LAR i had	Riftaxe	Apr 2012	#4
It's an informative read. Thanks for posting.	The Wielding Truth	Apr 2012	#3
That's definitely a good way to put it.	Hoyt	Apr 2012	#8
I recommend...	Clames	Apr 2012	#5
How about gun lovers?	rgbecker	Apr 2012	#7
Pro-Civil Rights...	Clames	Apr 2012	#14
My personal favorites are...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Apr 2012	#16
Like "gun grabbers" promotes discussion. What apt characterization works for you?	Hoyt	Apr 2012	#9
I'm not as apt...	Clames	Apr 2012	#11
Also detaining people he suspects of carrying a firearm so he can check their papers	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#32
Hey Hoyt	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#30
Well mindlessly labeling human beings has worked so well over the years	Riftaxe	Apr 2012	#22
Interesting part about the NRA paying "scholars" to publish 2nd amendment papers. n-t	Logical	Apr 2012	#6
Yep. It's corruption and twisted conservatives playing facist games to preserve corp. power.	The Wielding Truth	Apr 2012	#23
Right wingers push lots of pro-rights	safeinOhio	Apr 2012	#33
"The people" is every person.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#40
Way to put words in my mouth	safeinOhio	Apr 2012	#50
Here are your words:	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#54
Not to mention the implied regional bigotry......	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#56
The implied regional bigotry	safeinOhio	Apr 2012	#68
I think you missed the point	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#69
Thanks for all of the ALEC talking points	safeinOhio	Apr 2012	#67
Um, you're welcome?	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#70
Actually they didn't	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#71
Thom Hartman's take on the Second, and I agree.	safeinOhio	Apr 2012	#72
So then you are going to give up your CHL?	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#73
I sure would because	safeinOhio	Apr 2012	#80
I disagree with him on that	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#75
I don't think Thom misunderstands the reasons	safeinOhio	Apr 2012	#81
I think he leaves out	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#82
It was a collective right until the late 20th century, or 2001	safeinOhio	Apr 2012	#85
Heller was individual right	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#88
1846 case Nunn v. State (1 Ga. 243), if you wish to use that case....	safeinOhio	Apr 2012	#96
the ban on knives and pistols was overturned	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#98
So, the right to carry a concealed weapon	safeinOhio	Apr 2012	#108
concealed banned weapon	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#113
Calling something a "talking point" is not a rebuttal.	GreenStormCloud	Apr 2012	#79
When a "talking point" is used,	safeinOhio	Apr 2012	#87
It still isn't a rebuttal. You are just refusing to discuss.	GreenStormCloud	Apr 2012	#89
now prove it came from ALEC	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#90
NRA along with ALEC	safeinOhio	Apr 2012	#94
read that article once before	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#95
I guess this would cancel that out then...	safeinOhio	Apr 2012	#97
Carl Bogus was funded	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#99
I use Thom Hartman because you	safeinOhio	Apr 2012	#107
I meant ask him why	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#111
You can quit beating that dead horse. It won't get up.	GreenStormCloud	Apr 2012	#100
Yes and you have won the "money equals speech" Scalia court	safeinOhio	Apr 2012	#109
Why do you say that I won the "money equal speech" decision?	GreenStormCloud	Apr 2012	#112
trying to get the	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#114
Article is in need of some factual background work.	Clames	Apr 2012	#10
Thanks for clarifying, we definitely need to change that.	Hoyt	Apr 2012	#12
Except the "we" you are referring to...	Clames	Apr 2012	#13
So what are you personally doing to change it Hoyt?	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#31
Hoyt, Looks like you're being stalked!	rgbecker	Apr 2012	#35
By whom and for what reason?	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#36
He won't answer my question or post any links about what I allegedly said	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#37
Yes, many of the gun culture here are just cyber Zimmermans. In reality, some may be too.	Hoyt	Apr 2012	#46
That "reality"...	Clames	Apr 2012	#52
Hey, you guys would have considered Zimmerman a model gun toter right until he shot unarmed kid.	Hoyt	Apr 2012	#53
Yeah...	Clames	Apr 2012	#60
Sure, some guy who believes he needs a gun to walk into public	Hoyt	Apr 2012	#61
That guy or girl...	Clames	Apr 2012	#105
I've never seen a "model gun toter"	rl6214	Apr 2012	#115
now you have	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#116
Sickening	Union Scribe	Apr 2012	#165
Zimmerman, intimidation, Loughner, guns everywhere, etc. -- that's what the gun culture has wrought.	Hoyt	Apr 2012	#167
get out those spectacles	iverglas	Apr 2012	#83
Semi-automatic assault weapons were not banned, not the possession, not the transfer	rl6214	Apr 2012	#117
and yet it was called the "assault weapons ban" by gun militants ...	iverglas	Apr 2012	#120
that list would also include the	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#122
couldn't make much sense of that, sorry	iverglas	Apr 2012	#123
basiclly	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#125
I didn't say no Republicans voted for it	iverglas	Apr 2012	#126
you don't get it	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#131
you're right	iverglas	Apr 2012	#134
my point was that	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#135
you didn't get that point from my post	iverglas	Apr 2012	#140
NO, it was called the "assault weapons ban" by the anti-gun zealots that wrote it	rl6214	Apr 2012	#146
lordy, lordy, lordy	iverglas	Apr 2012	#148
And with all the silliness you post...	Clames	Apr 2012	#152
Your technical ignorance...	Clames	Apr 2012	#121
my lack of interest in your opinion ...	iverglas	Apr 2012	#124
Quaint.	Clames	Apr 2012	#127
I actually know all about the ol' AWB	iverglas	Apr 2012	#128
Well you should surprise us all...	Clames	Apr 2012	#130
"New Yorker magazine has an interesting article."	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Apr 2012	#15
Did you read the article???	Logical	Apr 2012	#20
Yes I did.	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Apr 2012	#28
No you didn't, WTF.......	Logical	Apr 2012	#29
Apparently...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Apr 2012	#45
I wonder how people like you ever challenge your minds? I read rightwing stuff all the...	Logical	Apr 2012	#48
"Some people, like you, don't want your set beliefs challenged I guess."	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Apr 2012	#49
Why do you have to be so accusatory?	rl6214	Apr 2012	#118
Well.....	Logical	Apr 2012	#119
He didn't say he didn't read the article, he said	rl6214	Apr 2012	#147
Statistics suck the big one.	RegieRocker	Apr 2012	#17
There are various firearms for various purposes.	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#21
Own a thousand if you like but that	RegieRocker	Apr 2012	#156
I'm sure you thought you had a point there....	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#159
Of course you don't becuase you suffer from the same thing	RegieRocker	Apr 2012	#168
And that would be....?	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#169
Exactly...	RegieRocker	Apr 2012	#170
What "facts"? Where?	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#172
One last time...	RegieRocker	Apr 2012	#176
Thank you, I now understand what you meant.	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#177
No what I am saying is	RegieRocker	May 2012	#182
I agree.	PavePusher	May 2012	#183
depends	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#178
That is a reasonable reply	RegieRocker	May 2012	#181
you mean the Cincinalti revolt?	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#18
Seems like it was the DC group that didn't want to see the HQ moved to Colorado.	rgbecker	Apr 2012	#106
that and	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#110
She supports many of the posters here...	mvccd1000	Apr 2012	#19
I only made it to page 3 of 8...	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#24
Why give up so early unless it just is painful for you to read long articles? How can you base....	Logical	Apr 2012	#27
I find I do this more and more often. I know I'm not the only one.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#38
You didn't get to the most telling paragraph in the article.	GoneOffShore	Apr 2012	#41
Who gets to make that determination, and on what authority? n/a	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#55
That's not telling at all...	Callisto32	Apr 2012	#76
Your opinion and hence by your own argument just as valid as the author's.	GoneOffShore	Apr 2012	#144
There is one problem with the paragraph	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#77
Thanks for the personal report.	rgbecker	Apr 2012	#34
No problem.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#39
A few observations	sarisataka	Apr 2012	#25
where is the end point of 'reasonable gun control'?	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#26
After reading this article, I had to do a little research about some of the names.	rgbecker	Apr 2012	#42
For my part...	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#58
Somehow, I don't think the NRA will be embracing the Democrats.	rgbecker	Apr 2012	#63
They do for me.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#78
the NRA	melm00se	Apr 2012	#86
Are you sure Bright is a Democrat?	rgbecker	Apr 2012	#101
pretty much	iverglas	Apr 2012	#129
and your problem with her is what?	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#132
all those issues	melm00se	Apr 2012	#136
the chance of an anti-gun any party	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#137
Rural folks	melm00se	Apr 2012	#138
how clever they are	iverglas	Apr 2012	#143
you know, if you would just stop when you're behind ...	iverglas	Apr 2012	#142
there but not here	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#149
I just never, ever know wtf you are talking about	iverglas	Apr 2012	#151
The only reason you don't understand wtf	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#153
why in the fucking hell would you be doing that??	iverglas	Apr 2012	#154
MAIG didn't get it from them	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#155
Ahh yes. The oft played "rating game."	beevul	Apr 2012	#157
My friends lived in a town of 1068	sarisataka	Apr 2012	#158
read the article, did you?	iverglas	Apr 2012	#139
OK, I have read the whole thing. I want my 20 minutes back.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#43
One of the reasons...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Apr 2012	#47
So you are perfectly happy feeling that you "must carry" in order to feel protected?	GoneOffShore	Apr 2012	#51
I don't carry.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#57
Speaking only for myself...	Marengo	Apr 2012	#65
Excellent article. Very informative. Thanks.	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#44
You insult, then ask for "a little thoughtfulness"..how quaint..	pipoman	Apr 2012	#59
I'm sorry I used the term "Gun nuts."	rgbecker	Apr 2012	#62
"Worked up" and "bear arms" in parenthesis didn't help the tone either.	Marengo	Apr 2012	#64
This post was hidden by jury decision.	pipoman	Apr 2012	#66
What do you mean "Covertly"?	rgbecker	Apr 2012	#74
If you're so sorry	Union Scribe	Apr 2012	#166
excellent article	iverglas	Apr 2012	#84
That guy is so dumb about guns that he thinks Rimfire is a brand of gun.	GreenStormCloud	Apr 2012	#91
that reminds me	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#92
and what are you on about?	iverglas	Apr 2012	#104
Actually he is right.	Clames	Apr 2012	#133
actually you're making just as little sense	iverglas	Apr 2012	#141
Being unpleasant?	Clames	Apr 2012	#145
Pot	rl6214	Apr 2012	#150
Board vigilante!	Remmah2	Apr 2012	#161
Bragging about getting other posters tombstoned	rl6214	Apr 2012	#164
Two more related articles by Jill Lepore...	Xela	Apr 2012	#93
if you have something to say about her "stated point of view"	iverglas	Apr 2012	#102
And your point is?	Remmah2	Apr 2012	#160
you think ...	iverglas	Apr 2012	#162
It's all about you.	Remmah2	Apr 2012	#163
Thanks for the links.	rgbecker	Apr 2012	#103
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Tuesday Afternoon	Apr 2012	#171
If your post gets hidden, I'm going to take that phrase "(subject-X) nuts" to some other forums....	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#173
Jury voted 6-0 to hide it. Let us know how that works out for you, re: "(subject-x) nuts" :)	Electric Monk	Apr 2012	#174
There does seem to be	sarisataka	Apr 2012	#175
So, was that just an empty threat?	Electric Monk	Apr 2012	#179
I actually have a life outside of D.U.	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#180

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