Gun Control & RKBA

shadowrider

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5. Thank you. Your input is appreciated.

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Is support of 2A rights/RKBA a Progessive value? [View all] shadowrider Apr 2012 OP

The right to own guns is a progressive value. Recognizing that right as not absolute morningfog Apr 2012 #1

Thank you. Your input is appreciated. shadowrider Apr 2012 #5

I disagree with your claim of "must be limitations". PavePusher Apr 2012 #26

What is "prove" in this context and who determines it? n/t ellisonz Apr 2012 #66

what, because you say so? iverglas Apr 2012 #82

I agree, however the catch is what constitutes "logical restrictions." TheWraith Apr 2012 #61

"some people here think" iverglas Apr 2012 #83

I am not sure what 2A rights/RKBA is. upaloopa Apr 2012 #2

2A = Second Amendment RKBA = Right to Keep and Bear Arms shadowrider Apr 2012 #6

But gun violence is at historic lows and still declining hack89 Apr 2012 #8

I haven't seen any real evidence to support that claim. upaloopa Apr 2012 #12

the FBI says so gejohnston Apr 2012 #13

Check out the FBI's stats which clearly show a steady decline AH1Apache Apr 2012 #14

Shall we start with the annual FBI crime report? hack89 Apr 2012 #16

3 replys to me all with the same reference. upaloopa Apr 2012 #23

It is only becuase these stats have been posted here countless times. hack89 Apr 2012 #24

No I am not saying that. I own a gun also. upaloopa Apr 2012 #25

sorry to burst your bubble, but armueller2001 Apr 2012 #34

When you can show that our present gun laws pose a threat to society hack89 Apr 2012 #35

This is the awesome-ist mistake I have EVER SEEN. Callisto32 Apr 2012 #50

My slip is showing - good catch. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #51

Was it.....wait for it... Callisto32 Apr 2012 #54

"If true I would expect three people to sight three different set of statistics." PavePusher Apr 2012 #27

Seems a bit suspect.??!! discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #44

"Seems a bit suspect." rl6214 Apr 2012 #74

there you have it iverglas Apr 2012 #84

Anti gun zealot talking point=failure rl6214 Apr 2012 #73

What gun control laws have been relaxed, aside from the worthless AWB rl6214 Apr 2012 #72

I say YES AH1Apache Apr 2012 #3

Some progressives only support some rights mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #4

You should be more worried... ellisonz Apr 2012 #67

"Progressive" is basically liberalism with an emphasis on economic progress. rrneck Apr 2012 #7

Yes. needledriver Apr 2012 #9

Thank you. Your input is greatly appreciated. shadowrider Apr 2012 #20

I think it is more accurate to say that they all ensure, reinforce and strengthen each other. PavePusher Apr 2012 #28

actually, honest to goodness progressives iverglas Apr 2012 #87

As far back as 1983 progressive criminologists James Wright and Peter Rossi Simo 1939_1940 Apr 2012 #10

I think most progressives do support the second amendment Bjorn Against Apr 2012 #11

Keep in mind... Clames Apr 2012 #15

"...shall not be infringed." seems to limit the restrictions that can be applied. YMMV. n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #29

Well it is not nearly that simple, what would be considered an infringment is unclear Bjorn Against Apr 2012 #40

nukes are not arms gejohnston Apr 2012 #41

Nukes are absolutely arms, have you ever heard of an arms race? Bjorn Against Apr 2012 #42

in military terms gejohnston Apr 2012 #43

Better term for nukes... Clames Apr 2012 #86

What do you think "bear" means? PavePusher Apr 2012 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Bjorn Against Apr 2012 #47

Google "aircraft explosive decompression". PavePusher Apr 2012 #48

the Constituion is a set of negative rights gejohnston Apr 2012 #49

Really, not that much. Callisto32 Apr 2012 #52

Ummm, no it would not bring a plane down. rl6214 Apr 2012 #75

The Myth Busters... Clames Apr 2012 #88

So, did you do your research yet? n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #95

I will acknowledge that after doing research this probably could not bring a plane down Bjorn Against Apr 2012 #96

A shoot-out is never a "good thing", except that it may be required to stop something worse. PavePusher Apr 2012 #97

Guns would be more likely to cause a plane to crash into a building than prevent it Bjorn Against Apr 2012 #99

Please point out where I said "the good guys could always defeat the terrorists". PavePusher Apr 2012 #100

You have absolutely no basis for these assumptions. Clames Apr 2012 #101

"If we could still do that, we might not have a major construction site in NYC today." ellisonz Apr 2012 #68

depends on the screening process gejohnston Apr 2012 #70

In principle, both self-defense rights and public safety are legitimate progressive values, DanTex Apr 2012 #17

The gun control movement also capitalized on fear and ignorance. krispos42 Apr 2012 #18

"the pro-gun movement thrives on ignorance and fear," PavePusher Apr 2012 #31

I would add sarisataka Apr 2012 #33

"commonly resorting to ad hominem attacks on genitalia." ellisonz Apr 2012 #69

You've just proven his point. Marengo Apr 2012 #94

Yes - all civil liberties are equally important. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #19

As a progressive, I support the right of innocents to not ever have to face a nut with a gun saras Apr 2012 #21

"life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" needledriver Apr 2012 #22

I'm all for an unlimited First Amendment. PavePusher Apr 2012 #32

Reminds me of a KKK member I got into it with once -- he called himself "a civil rights activist." Hoyt Apr 2012 #30

What about war when a nation armueller2001 Apr 2012 #37

I wish this site still had rules. Union Scribe Apr 2012 #39

hoyt seems to be made of Teflon(tm). I guess that means he's like Reagan? PavePusher Apr 2012 #46

That's interesting. Especially the one that got me for hurting a gun's feelings. Hoyt Apr 2012 #64

Hoyt, a scenario for your contemplation oneshooter Apr 2012 #71

I have said repeatedly, I don't have a real problem what you do with guns on your land. Hoyt Apr 2012 #77

What do you call "street and compound guns?" oneshooter Apr 2012 #79

Hoyt declines to answer the question. oneshooter Apr 2012 #102

Watching MASH as I am reading this thread. rl6214 Apr 2012 #76

/Hawkeye hysterical laugh. beevul Apr 2012 #90

Who's that, 6pak? rl6214 Apr 2012 #93

Who would be Marget Houlihan? gejohnston Apr 2012 #103

OOOH, Margeret would have to be Iverglass or rl6214 Apr 2012 #104

People can say anything Union Scribe Apr 2012 #89

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #53

Well said. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #55

since callistos post has been hidden rl6214 Apr 2012 #78

I don't alert. But I do think you should not be around guns when you are excited. Hoyt Apr 2012 #56

Oh look everyone AH1Apache Apr 2012 #57

I'm still waiting also. ileus Apr 2012 #59

I assume that you're referring to the unfounded accusation that you don't Simo 1939_1940 Apr 2012 #63

and I'm waiting for this reply. ileus Apr 2012 #80

Yes sarisataka Apr 2012 #36

Could there be a more progressive cause? ileus Apr 2012 #38

Absolutely, we should protect ALL of our civil rights badtoworse Apr 2012 #58

You are, of course, 100% correct. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #60

I think the concept of a government allowing an armed populace is very progressive. OneTenthofOnePercent Apr 2012 #62

Binary thinking... ellisonz Apr 2012 #65

or as I was about to say: false dichotomy iverglas Apr 2012 #81

It's a way for them to sound informned... ellisonz Apr 2012 #85

No. Nothing progressive at all. In fact it is regressive. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #91

starting over with ALEC and gejohnston Apr 2012 #92

We started in the right place, already. :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #98