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gejohnston

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276. warning shots are reasonable only if
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 01:26 PM
Apr 2012

in a very rural area, you fire in the ground and you know exactly where the bullet is going to hit the ground.
Never in an urban area
Never fire in the air even out in the sticks. Even as improbable as it is, the possibility still exists of it landing on an innocent human or pet someplace else.
There are no loopholes in the law of gravity.

I am thinking that the SYG/Castle Doctrine does not apply Meiko Apr 2012 #1
Actually they fired at intruders that had broken down the door of their cabin jtuck004 Apr 2012 #5
. The police didn't say they shot because they were startled or threatened, pnwmom Apr 2012 #12
Startled by the attempted break-in, two men fired rifles in the darkness at the intruders... jtuck004 Apr 2012 #34
All we have now is the adults word for it that the teens were breaking in. pnwmom Apr 2012 #39
They weren't just messing around, they are suspected of having committed criminal acts, and. jtuck004 Apr 2012 #74
You don't know they weren't just messing around. They are only SUSPECTS. pnwmom Apr 2012 #80
I don't know, and neither do you. But three were arrested and charged, jtuck004 Apr 2012 #84
And hopefully the investigation of men without permits shooting a girl in the head continues. pnwmom Apr 2012 #94
No permit required for private property, or rifles, in Alabama, that I can see. PavePusher Apr 2012 #124
What permits were needed? Fishing license, boat registration, oneshooter Apr 2012 #125
The girl's attorney brought up the lack of a gun permit at the press conference. pnwmom Apr 2012 #128
Fresh splintered wood around the door jam. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #344
That could have happened the night before, or a few days before. And by other burglars. pnwmom Apr 2012 #445
And the couples would have heard the day before HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #446
Who said the couples checked all the cabins the day before? They said the only reason they heard pnwmom Apr 2012 #456
Felony Murder rule should apply... mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #2
How about the guy how SHOT her? DiverDave Apr 2012 #3
paranoid gun nuts are a dime a dozen Skittles Apr 2012 #4
+1000 nt abelenkpe Apr 2012 #20
+1,000,000 ellisonz Apr 2012 #37
So are keyboard commandos that like throwing about anti-gun bigotry. rl6214 Apr 2012 #97
"anti-gun bigotry"? What would that be, exactly? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #255
Despite your claims of ignorance, you know exactly what I'm talking about rl6214 Apr 2012 #389
What claims of ignorance are you refering to? You're not very coherent. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #403
Again the claimed ignorance...or maybe it's not just claimed? rl6214 Apr 2012 #424
I seek clarity and you accuse me of ignorance. LOL Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #427
Welcome to the ignore list. ;) eqfan592 Apr 2012 #137
*trumpets* discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #139
SEE #141 Skittles Apr 2012 #142
no thanks but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #144
you know I was trained to shoot in the miliary, right? Skittles Apr 2012 #145
please... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #147
knowing the difference between responsible gun use and gun nuttery Skittles Apr 2012 #148
AFAIC... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #151
OK Skittles Apr 2012 #152
So is knowing the difference between reasonable restrictions and gun grabbery. cleanhippie Apr 2012 #378
As was I. cleanhippie Apr 2012 #377
But do you shoot enough since then to keep your"skills" up to par? oneshooter Apr 2012 #381
aw poor BABY Skittles Apr 2012 #141
And paranoid gun grabbers as well. cleanhippie Apr 2012 #376
It was worse than that. The men chased the kids down, according to the police, pnwmom Apr 2012 #13
If this proves to be the case, SYG doesn't apply... Lizzie Poppet Apr 2012 #30
I kind of doubt the men carded them first. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #213
No one was breaking into their own camp area, and there is nothing in the Castle Doctrine pnwmom Apr 2012 #215
Committing armed burglary = "goofing around"? HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #253
There is no evidence yet that they were committing burglary, much less armed burglary. pnwmom Apr 2012 #271
Theres enough evidence to charge them with 1st degree burglary, HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #284
Being charged with something isn't equivalent to being found guilty at trial. pnwmom Apr 2012 #443
you are pronouncing the adults of being gejohnston Apr 2012 #449
No, I'm not. pnwmom Apr 2012 #454
it did come off that way gejohnston Apr 2012 #459
I guess I spoke too soon. The fishermen do have criminal records. pnwmom Apr 2012 #461
"I cant find fault with them firing warning shots." Really? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #257
I am amazed... sarisataka Apr 2012 #258
Except the teens were armed burglars. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #269
A warning shot... sarisataka Apr 2012 #282
Teens had a rifle, and were committing felonies. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #293
Um... sarisataka Apr 2012 #383
She was there at the cabin during the break in. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #384
I never said she was completely innocent sarisataka Apr 2012 #385
The teens were armed. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #387
Id agree with that. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #447
You hit on the point that people would wish away sarisataka Apr 2012 #448
Yes, I agree completely! HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #450
Wrong. She wasn't an accomplice merely by being in the vicinity. No evidence pnwmom Apr 2012 #444
you think the media is going to actually gejohnston Apr 2012 #451
There was a lot of wild speculation by the media in the initial reporting HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #453
Still pushing the dumb blonde defense? HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #452
And if they had shot the one with the rifle, anti's would be screaming, "Why didn't he fire shadowrider Apr 2012 #406
where were you when I needed you? gejohnston Apr 2012 #260
What goes up must come down, right? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #261
instead of a starter pistol, gejohnston Apr 2012 #263
Dont break in to peoples houses, right? HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #272
I don't know what this girl was doing. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #292
this was not a populated area gejohnston Apr 2012 #295
Apparently it was populated enough, unless he was aiming at her. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #312
Thats utter bullshit. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #296
You don't know she was "drinking and doing drugs." There has been absolutely nothing in the press pnwmom Apr 2012 #306
Sherriffs report says they were partying. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #310
I already explained this to you. The gunmen had to load the girl up in their boat and take her off pnwmom Apr 2012 #326
More of your fabrications, huh? HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #336
I'm not telling a lie, I'm saying that there is a possibility that the gunmen were drinking, pnwmom Apr 2012 #341
So, teenagers "partying" is now a crime punishable by extralegal summary execution? baldguy Apr 2012 #404
It cannot be ignored as one of several increasingly bad decisions she made that night HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #411
I guess you slept through the lesson on gravity Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #307
Alabama law permits a lethal shot. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #311
Alabama permits a "lethal shot" against whom? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #313
Alabama law allowed them to shoot to kill. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #267
Not according to two local criminal defense attorneys who were interviewed in this case. pnwmom Apr 2012 #273
They werent aiming at her. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #280
It isn't DEFENSE to shoot people in the back or in the back of the neck. pnwmom Apr 2012 #289
Alabama law allows it to protect life AND property. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #298
The Alabama criminal attorneys who were interviewed on TV said that isn't true. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #302
Then they didnt read the law. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #315
There's nothing in that law that says it's okay to shoot bystanders in the back of the head. pnwmom Apr 2012 #324
She wasnt a bystander, she was committing armed felonies. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #352
She wasn't armed. And there's been no evidence showing she was an accomplice. pnwmom Apr 2012 #360
If she commits a felony with others who are armed, HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #367
warning shots are reasonable only if gejohnston Apr 2012 #276
Where does it say they were armed Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #279
Sherriffs report says teens were armed with a rifle. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #291
Have you seen the sheriff's report? I wasn't aware one had been released. I'd love to see the names pnwmom Apr 2012 #328
Excerpts are posted within the thread. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #346
I repeatedly gave you links when you asked for them. I've seen no link to an actual pnwmom Apr 2012 #351
Repeatedly? Bwahaha. I only asked once. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #371
Sherriffs statements and/or links HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #374
I'm guessing gejohnston Apr 2012 #294
I havent seen those details. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #300
"And since the teens were armed, it wouldnt have been prudent to confront them." ellisonz Apr 2012 #402
Its rather difficult to conceal a rifle in your pocket. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #413
The fishermen's own attorney doesn't say anything about being afraid because the teens had weapons. pnwmom Apr 2012 #432
Oh, you mean... mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #22
or perhaps the guy who pursued and shot her in the back of the head? frylock Apr 2012 #38
No, the guys who chased the kids on foot and shot one of them in the back of the head. pnwmom Apr 2012 #43
Really? Brkh Apr 2012 #87
The shooter wasn't in his home or even in his fishing camp. He followed the teens in a boat. pnwmom Apr 2012 #156
During the commission of a crime... krispos42 Apr 2012 #365
I don't see evidence that they actually committed a felony. The only one who I'm sure did so pnwmom Apr 2012 #11
The only one who I'm sure did so is the one who chase her rl6214 Apr 2012 #99
The only fact we know is that someone shot her in the back of the head. pnwmom Apr 2012 #100
Sherriffs say the teens were breaking and entering. Thats a felony. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #184
Has the rule of "innocent until proven guilty" been repealed? pnwmom Apr 2012 #185
Innocent until proven guilty applies to a court of law. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #189
If the gunmen hadn't heard some sounds, and decided to cross a river to get to them, pnwmom Apr 2012 #274
Still making shit up, huh? HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #308
You're the one sounding like a Zimmerman defender. He's the vigilante, just like pnwmom Apr 2012 #354
What happened to your staunch defense of "innocent until proven guilty"? shadowrider Apr 2012 #407
If the kids had not been drunk and breaking in... cleanhippie Apr 2012 #379
I challenge you to show me a single media report that the teens were drunk. pnwmom Apr 2012 #392
It's in the same report you keep citing that the fishermen were probably drunk DonP Apr 2012 #414
It's the possible drinking of the shooters that is relevant, not of the teen victim. pnwmom Apr 2012 #417
you don't get the context gejohnston Apr 2012 #418
Here's a link to information from one of the fishermen's attorneys. pnwmom Apr 2012 #431
If the kids had been armed, maybe. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #106
Sherriffs say one of them was armed. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #186
Felony Murder is from Common Law caseymoz Apr 2012 #439
And if you ask me... mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #440
However, statutory and case law says . . . caseymoz Apr 2012 #441
I agree. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #457
What is barbaric about Felony Murder? HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #455
Anotheer innocent victim sacrificed the the gun gods. baldguy Apr 2012 #6
Thieves==innocent? SATIRical Apr 2012 #29
How do we know they were thieves, and not just kids messing around pnwmom Apr 2012 #45
"The juveniles were charged with third-degree burglary" SATIRical Apr 2012 #59
Yes, they were charged, based on what the shooters told them. But it wouldn't pnwmom Apr 2012 #60
Based on what the shooters told them? SATIRical Apr 2012 #66
I agree, it would make no sense for the police or anyone else pnwmom Apr 2012 #71
No, it doesn't appear that is what happened SATIRical Apr 2012 #83
When I go camping and fishing I NEVER take along beer. rl6214 Apr 2012 #103
Do you think most groups of men never take beer? n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #157
I don't think "most" groups of anyone ever do anything. rl6214 Apr 2012 #166
So Thieves should be SHOT? DiverDave Apr 2012 #92
Amazing, isn't it? The gun owner as judge, jury, and executioner -- all over some stuff. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #96
I gather you are not a big fan of Castle Doctrine? ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #146
Not if it means appointing to yourself the power of judge, jury, and executioner pnwmom Apr 2012 #158
Again I was replying to the broad statement, which I read as not limited to the specifics of this ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #160
"Armed" could mean one of them had a pocket knife. pnwmom Apr 2012 #163
What I read was that the young people had brought a firearm with them ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #167
Yup. And, like I said, I'd like to see some of the adults' names. pnwmom Apr 2012 #168
They will have to be at some point. ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #171
HE WASN'T BEING THREATENED WHEN HE SHOT @ THEM DiverDave Apr 2012 #212
The teens were armed. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #217
That hasn't been proven. And the "weapon" hasn't even been named. pnwmom Apr 2012 #222
Sherriffs say teens had a rifle. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #250
uh-huh, and you know this how? DiverDave Apr 2012 #225
Report in the media about why the charges were raised to 1st degree ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #233
Sherriffs report says the teens had a gun. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #252
The victim DID NOT have a gun. baldguy Apr 2012 #405
Doesnt matter if she was holding a gun. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #412
You posted a general comment and got a general reply ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #232
Who said that? I certainly didn't. SATIRical Apr 2012 #242
Please indicate where the story says that the innocent victim was a thief. baldguy Apr 2012 #107
If the shooters were afraid, why did they leave their own camp, pnwmom Apr 2012 #173
Their guns were magical talismans protecting them from the demons in the night. baldguy Apr 2012 #226
Do you have a link for this? WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #265
Here's a link. pnwmom Apr 2012 #275
Right after you indicate where in the story the teens were innocent SATIRical Apr 2012 #244
Kicking in doors on other people's property is "innocent" to you? DonP Apr 2012 #36
Chasing down suspected burglars on foot and shooting them in the back of the head pnwmom Apr 2012 #42
As soon as we know if that actually happened we'll talk - or were you actually there? DonP Apr 2012 #58
Here's an interview with some investigator, where he says the teens were chased. pnwmom Apr 2012 #81
So, if the person standing next to you commits a crime, you should be punished for it? baldguy Apr 2012 #108
they do in France gejohnston Apr 2012 #111
The only people waiving guns around were the yahoos in the cabin. baldguy Apr 2012 #119
you missed the point gejohnston Apr 2012 #123
Police are now stating that the young people had a gun with them ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #161
I've only heard the word "weapon" used. Have you seen an actual claim of a gun? pnwmom Apr 2012 #174
Yes...to deal with gators vice armed robbery. ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #177
Interesting, thanks. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #187
Good for a laugh as always rl6214 Apr 2012 #101
You're right - murder is very rarely "funny". baldguy Apr 2012 #109
Wow, what a loss for her friends and family. Lunabelle Apr 2012 #7
Burglary, eh? Callisto32 Apr 2012 #8
The shooters should be looking at murder charges. What gave them the right, pnwmom Apr 2012 #197
Whoa, whoa, whoa... Callisto32 Apr 2012 #228
Alabama law gives them the right. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #318
And why is this guy not being charged with murder? SaltyBro Apr 2012 #9
The article actually says that no charges have been filed . . . yet. The investigation is ongoing. pnwmom Apr 2012 #10
If she was an accomplice to a felony, she wasnt innocent. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #52
The only real fact we know is that she was hit in the back of her head. pnwmom Apr 2012 #95
Yes, no facts yet. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #182
She wouldn't be an accomplice unless they were planning to burglarize and she knew that. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #183
She was close enogh to the action to get shot. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #192
I was once with a friend in a store and, all of a sudden, pnwmom Apr 2012 #195
Sounds like she was hanging with the wrong crowd. ileus Apr 2012 #14
Or maybe the teen crowd was outside fooling around pnwmom Apr 2012 #46
You are just a laugh riot! DonP Apr 2012 #64
your kinda fucking funny yourself.. frylock Apr 2012 #88
I don't know they were drinking. I'm saying my possible scenario about the men is just as valid pnwmom Apr 2012 #98
it is entirely possible that gejohnston Apr 2012 #102
"The point is we don't have the facts yet." rl6214 Apr 2012 #115
A bunch of people here instantly bought the idea that the teens were burglars. pnwmom Apr 2012 #118
The sherriffs say they were committing armed burglaries. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #194
Yeah, and sheriffs have never arrested people who turned out to be innocent? pnwmom Apr 2012 #196
Someone will be charged sarisataka Apr 2012 #15
I'm with you on this one ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #25
The DA says there's not enough evidence to charge them. Sound familiar? pnwmom Apr 2012 #199
I note the DA says sarisataka Apr 2012 #251
I'm guessing gejohnston Apr 2012 #254
But why not name all three adults who were present as having been there? pnwmom Apr 2012 #281
good question gejohnston Apr 2012 #286
Reports today said that the prosecutor won't be charging the shooter. Maybe we'll never know. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #304
Yup. Ain't nothin' more terrifyin' to a man than a 17 year old girl. aquart Apr 2012 #16
My brother and a bunch of his friends used abelenkpe Apr 2012 #21
+1. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #47
Big, brave men. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #17
What would you have done? Remmah2 Apr 2012 #19
NOT what these gunslingin' idiots did. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #24
Do you think the teens bear any responsibility in this? Remmah2 Apr 2012 #26
Yes, I'd also like to know if the fisherman who did the shooting was alcohol-impaired. pnwmom Apr 2012 #49
As do I. Remmah2 Apr 2012 #55
Would you chase them on foot across the campground, pnwmom Apr 2012 #48
Another Second Amendment Solution - All Hail the Gun Heros! jpak Apr 2012 #18
Fish camp? What kind of fishing were they doing with guns? Hoyt Apr 2012 #23
what happened to riverwalker Apr 2012 #27
At 4am in a fishing camp, I'd be willing to bet there aren't too many lights around rl6214 Apr 2012 #117
The kids were too far away to do that. So, instead, the fisherman pnwmom Apr 2012 #198
Where does it say this? WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #278
Here's a picture of the "slough" they had to cross to get to where the teens were. pnwmom Apr 2012 #287
The fisherman were already there WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #290
I'm rather sure... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #28
That article u linked to just says a 16 Y/O kid was charged for shooting someone. moobu2 Apr 2012 #32
My mistake... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #33
More details in the case. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #31
So you think it is okay to chase burglars down and shoot them in the back of the head? pnwmom Apr 2012 #40
No. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #50
That's what the police are saying happened. And if that is the case, pnwmom Apr 2012 #56
I have not heard that. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #57
Here's a link to an interview with an investigator who says they were chased. pnwmom Apr 2012 #82
And a lesson for yahoos with guns that killing someone when not much is at stake is Hoyt Apr 2012 #178
Here's a Google Earth map of where this happened. moobu2 Apr 2012 #35
I think that's a reasonable possibility. It's possible the kids were just messing around pnwmom Apr 2012 #41
"Exploring" at 4am. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #51
An hour ago... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #44
Shot while hiding. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #53
re: "...up to no good." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #54
I think it's worse than risky and stupid to chase a teen down and shoot her in the back of the head. pnwmom Apr 2012 #62
At this point... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #67
Yes, and George Zimmerman wasn't charged for how long? pnwmom Apr 2012 #69
The Alabama game department gejohnston Apr 2012 #75
So what happens if they are innocent? Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #76
As I said... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #78
People should not be able to execute others for the crime of taking their property. pnwmom Apr 2012 #79
I disagree. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #89
So you would shot someone over STUFF? DiverDave Apr 2012 #227
I am authorized by law to do so. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #234
The Alabama criminal attorneys who were interviewed on TV said that isn't true. pnwmom Apr 2012 #288
That is not the way I read the law. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #299
"Is committing" or is "about to commit" is not the same as "did commit." pnwmom Apr 2012 #301
Sounds like a question for a court to decide. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #305
If you are in your own home, the burglar doesn't have to be confronting you -- correct. pnwmom Apr 2012 #309
Alabama law does not stipulate a location such as a home. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #316
Nothing in that law applies to innocent bystanders, and there's been no evidence pnwmom Apr 2012 #323
It's pretty clear that she was with the boys and at least the boys were commiting a crime. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #325
Castle Doctrine presumes hostile intent to do GBI or kill ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #150
The shooter wasn't threatened in his castle. He was in a fishing camp consisting of some pnwmom Apr 2012 #153
I was responding to your broad generalization in the title to post 79... ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #155
I think you're justified in shooting back if armed intruders invade your home pnwmom Apr 2012 #162
Problem is that its hard to tell if the intruders are armed or not ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #170
But how would the Castle Doctrine apply in this situation, if it is true pnwmom Apr 2012 #172
Again...general comments in response to general comments, and then specifics on this case ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #176
This is a link to an article and video including comments from a two local criminal defense pnwmom Apr 2012 #188
So when do you want these men executed? You already have found them guilty. oneshooter Apr 2012 #382
depends on the state gejohnston Apr 2012 #164
But it wouldn't apply in the case where you LEFT your current quarters and got in a boat pnwmom Apr 2012 #165
Look at the sattellite picture. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #200
Here's a link to some comments made by 2 local criminal defense attorneys pnwmom Apr 2012 #201
Doesn't matter. Alabama law allows deadly force to stop robbery and burglary in any degree. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #236
Does Alabama law allow people with cocaine trafficking convictions to shoot unarmed teenagers? pnwmom Apr 2012 #462
federal law prohibits gejohnston Apr 2012 #463
I wonder that, too. Hearn's lawyer says he doesn't own a gun. pnwmom Apr 2012 #464
doesn't matter gejohnston Apr 2012 #465
It was the Sheriff who repeatedly used the word "gentlemen" to describe them -- I know pnwmom Apr 2012 #466
the lynch mob was not against the teens gejohnston Apr 2012 #467
You must have missed all of those comments. pnwmom Apr 2012 #468
their crimes were obvious gejohnston Apr 2012 #469
The Sheriff had to know early on about the records of the fishermen. pnwmom Apr 2012 #470
Could be gejohnston Apr 2012 #471
She was shot in the back of the head. Of course she was hiding -- she was probably terrified. pnwmom Apr 2012 #61
That's not the current description of events. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #63
Yeah, they probably shoot bushes all the time. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #65
Wait, I seem to remember you being a proponent of 'warning shots'.. X_Digger Apr 2012 #68
Better than in the back of a young girl's head, my friend. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #85
Yeah, let's see you explain... Clames Apr 2012 #90
A warning shot killed this girl. Hard to imagine a worse outcome. X_Digger Apr 2012 #91
If what the deputy said today was true -- that the fisherman heard some noises on the other side pnwmom Apr 2012 #169
We'll see what the investigation turns up. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #70
Absolutely. And if you're going to fire a warning shot, shoot it into the dirt at your own feet. pnwmom Apr 2012 #73
You should never fire warning shots. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #77
No, no, no, we were told here just last week the warning shot should be into a door that someone rl6214 Apr 2012 #121
But the anti-gun zealots claimed just last week that you should fire a warning shot into a door rl6214 Apr 2012 #120
There is an equally "current" description saying that the shooters pnwmom Apr 2012 #72
Let me help you with that DonP Apr 2012 #86
It's not legal for civilians to shoot at "escaping criminals." That's not self-defense. pnwmom Apr 2012 #104
what permit? gejohnston Apr 2012 #105
This article mentions the lack of a permit, among other issues. pnwmom Apr 2012 #110
I am guessing it is fishing or hunting permits gejohnston Apr 2012 #113
No, the article specifically referred to a gun permit. I don't know any more than that. pnwmom Apr 2012 #114
search me gejohnston Apr 2012 #116
See comment #124. n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #126
The attorney was the one who mentioned a gun permit. pnwmom Apr 2012 #127
Not exactly.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #129
I live in Alabama. No permit is required except for concealed weapons. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #321
Kids being kids. baldguy Apr 2012 #112
That's the risk you take when you burgle. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #130
Read the damn story! She wasn't trying to burgle ANYTHING! baldguy Apr 2012 #132
So get off of your ass and start! Get a petition up to change the law. oneshooter Apr 2012 #133
It's certainly time to get the guns... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #135
Please show where the story indicates that THE VICTIM was carrying a gun. baldguy Apr 2012 #140
I'm not making excuses. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #143
How is that irrelevant? The victim was completely non-threatening. pnwmom Apr 2012 #203
I hold... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #239
It's simple, Simple: if she didn't have a gun she was not a deadly threat, or a lawful target. baldguy Apr 2012 #224
BOTH IN THE WRONG discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #241
Though well I know the passion of the argument, its premature to call them murderers ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #159
Yet another specious attempt to argue that inanimate objects can compel behavior ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #154
Lay off the hyperbole. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2012 #175
I did read the story. She was with 3 other boys arrested for 1st-degree burglary - they had a gun. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #229
Huh? She was in the area of the cabin HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #317
You're repeating falsehoods. pnwmom Apr 2012 #332
Report says she was "some feet away from the cabin" HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #348
"Some feet" could be six feet, or 60 feet, or 100 feet. That tells us nothing about distance pnwmom Apr 2012 #349
Less than 30 feet. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #366
They weren't protecting either lives or property when they shot a person in the back of the head. pnwmom Apr 2012 #372
Law is cited in posts 240 and 364 HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #373
The law is quite explicit that lethal force is only allowed when you're protecting human life pnwmom Apr 2012 #393
Wrong. It says nothing about a dwelling. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #394
There is ZERO evidence so far that the injured girl participated in any burglary. pnwmom Apr 2012 #395
"Zero evidence"? Bwahahaha! HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #419
you don't get it gejohnston Apr 2012 #420
Oh, I see. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #422
Not to me. I think she and Trayvon were both the victims of trigger-happy vigilantes. pnwmom Apr 2012 #428
Really? beevul Apr 2012 #401
Would you extend this course of action to objects/devices used as weapons? Marengo Apr 2012 #475
Did I miss a trial? Those teens are still innocent until proven guilty, aren't they? pnwmom Apr 2012 #193
Of course they are. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #230
That's rich. n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #314
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #363
Kids being armed robbers. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #237
Burglarizing a shack while holding a rifle is "kids being kids?" chrisa Apr 2012 #425
You didn't even bother to read the story in the OP, did you? baldguy Apr 2012 #430
I certainly would not have fired if she were 15-30 ft away but rl6214 Apr 2012 #93
The murder victim **wasn't** "attempting to burgalarize ANYTHING". baldguy Apr 2012 #122
She's not dead yet.. Clames Apr 2012 #131
Shot in the back of the head, cerebellum & cerebrum turned to jelly. baldguy Apr 2012 #134
Let's wait for the medical professionals... Clames Apr 2012 #136
"no such qualifications" discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #138
The reports are very grim. But whether she is a murder victim pnwmom Apr 2012 #190
True, she didnt attack anyone. She was merely an accomplice to armed birglary. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #202
Did I miss a trial? Who has been convicted of burglary or of being an accomplice? pnwmom Apr 2012 #205
They were charged with armed burglary HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #214
How do you know the "evidence" was not from a previous break-in committed by other burglars? pnwmom Apr 2012 #216
I suspect the sherriffs can tell when a door has been recently kicked in HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #245
They couldn't tell if it had been kicked in by someone else a few days before. pnwmom Apr 2012 #334
They have had a trial, you have already given them one, right here in DU. oneshooter Apr 2012 #388
You are right, someone needs to train more for shooting teenager in back of head. Hoyt Apr 2012 #179
"The murder victim **wasn't** "attempting to burgalarize ANYTHING"." rl6214 Apr 2012 #149
Damn right. Any teenager rolling a front yard should fear the yahoo with a gun, crummy life, Hoyt Apr 2012 #180
"rolling a front yard" discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #181
I suppose he thinks they were doing lawn maintenance ileus Apr 2012 #231
Pardon my... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #243
you pull a big weighted roller ileus Apr 2012 #277
thanks :) discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #283
The attempted burglary has NOT been proven. For all we know, those kids were just in the wrong place pnwmom Apr 2012 #191
No, not proven. Merely what the sherriffs report says. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #204
And meanwhile, the DA isn't even bothering to tell us who the shooters were, pnwmom Apr 2012 #207
He didnt know she was there likely. It was dark. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #209
There is NO evidence that she was an accomplice to anything. Even if there was an actual pnwmom Apr 2012 #219
She was at the scene. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #256
Wrong. Being at a scene doesn't make you an accomplice, unless you had prior knowledge pnwmom Apr 2012 #266
I think it's pretty clear that Summer was with the boys. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #319
Right, she was with them. But that doesn't mean she approved of what they pnwmom Apr 2012 #322
the "morons" on the anti-gun side say all the time to just fire a warning shot, including a thread rl6214 Apr 2012 #386
I've never said anything about a warning shot before, pnwmom Apr 2012 #396
Wrong place, wrong time, and they were armed WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #416
I guess "innocent till proven guilty" doesn't mean pnwmom Apr 2012 #206
No, because Im posting on a message board, HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #211
Surely you realize that the teens could still be found not guilty. pnwmom Apr 2012 #218
Pigs can fly, too. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #247
UPDATE: Charges upgraded for 3 teens in fish camp case (and more) moobu2 Apr 2012 #208
The men were in a cabin on the island. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #210
They deputy said they left their campground and got into a boat to cross the "small river." pnwmom Apr 2012 #221
I think it's peculiar that authorities released tons of information moobu2 Apr 2012 #223
I agree. And they still haven't told us who the shooters were or if they have any records pnwmom Apr 2012 #335
In any moral world... Clames Apr 2012 #249
+1 HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #262
It's disgusting that if the shooter did pursue these kids, to the point of crossing a river, that he pnwmom Apr 2012 #220
I'm with you. It's one thing if the teens kicked down the door of the "fishermen's" cabin. Hoyt Apr 2012 #235
The men were caretakers. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #259
Not in my opinion. Lots of things are legal, yet not right. Hoyt Apr 2012 #264
This coming from someone AH1Apache Apr 2012 #268
At least I don't view our society as a war zone. Hoyt Apr 2012 #270
And neither do I Hoyt. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #390
Well, the people of Alabama think it's right, and that's why it's legal. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #303
That's not the opinion of the Alabama criminal DEFENSE attorneys interviewed on TV. pnwmom Apr 2012 #338
Like I said, I'm not an attorney. But I can read. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #342
FYI discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #391
And they didnt intend to shoot them. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #320
How is it that you are so clear on the intent of everyone involved? pnwmom Apr 2012 #339
Wrong. Most of the Island is Federal property. And only one man has been said to be some kind of pnwmom Apr 2012 #337
The men weren't sleeping inside. They left their own place, crossed a "small river" to another camp, pnwmom Apr 2012 #330
This is legal under Alabama law. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #333
They aren't allowed to use deadly force against an innocent bystander. pnwmom Apr 2012 #343
So the question becomes, was Summer an innocent bystander? Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #347
There are a lot more questions than that. pnwmom Apr 2012 #350
I think the answers to some of those are pretty obvious. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #358
The law that you quoted justifies deadly force for self-defense or defending other people. pnwmom Apr 2012 #361
It also justifies deadly force for stopping burglary. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #364
More info on this from the fisherman's attorney today. pnwmom Apr 2012 #433
You are incorrect. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #415
Probably won't happen with Alabama law. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #238
There wasn't an armed robbery. moobu2 Apr 2012 #285
Doesn't have to be armed robbery. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #297
Yeah and Alabama's a very backwards assed place too moobu2 Apr 2012 #329
In some ways, sure. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #331
Ah, regional bigotry. The last refuge.... n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #368
Pretty blonde was committing armed felonies HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #248
They cannot be prosecuted with a civil suit. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #327
Obviously they can't be criminally prosecuted with a civil suit, but they can be held accountable pnwmom Apr 2012 #340
No, please read the law. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #345
But that wouldn't apply in the case of hitting an innocent bystander. She didn't do anything -- pnwmom Apr 2012 #353
the police think it was from a warning shot gejohnston Apr 2012 #356
I wonder how long it will take to get the ballistics results? pnwmom Apr 2012 #357
I think it's going to be hard to make a case that she was an innocent bystander. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #359
Alabama allows deadly force to prevent robbery and burglary of any degree. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #240
Thank you. Callisto32 Apr 2012 #246
To "prevent" is legally very different from "after the fact." pnwmom Apr 2012 #355
We don't know that yet. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #362
Not to mention the burglars were armed, HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #380
No one has ever shown the girl was armed, or that she was an accomplice. pnwmom Apr 2012 #398
what evidence do you have it was intentional? gejohnston Apr 2012 #400
She is hysterical. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #410
The evidence that came from the mouth of one of the fishermen's own attorneys. pnwmom Apr 2012 #436
And OJ didnt kill his wife and RG HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #409
Quite the contortionist act you've been putting on today. PavePusher Apr 2012 #370
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #369
Breaking news... HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #375
Still waiting for the names and criminal records of the "gentlemen" shooters. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #397
if they had criminal records gejohnston Apr 2012 #399
Cops probably concerned about threats and harassment HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #408
are there criminal records? ileus Apr 2012 #421
Connections discovered to previous crimes. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #423
Why? You have already found them guilty, the trial is over. oneshooter Apr 2012 #426
You found the victim, Summer Moody, guilty. pnwmom Apr 2012 #429
the POSSIBLE is not supported by evidence gejohnston Apr 2012 #434
The bullet came from the gun of one of the fishermen. pnwmom Apr 2012 #435
you linked to yourself making the same statement gejohnston Apr 2012 #437
If the situation is as described in your link WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #438
Show me where I said that, or retract your lie. oneshooter Apr 2012 #442
I guess I will just add this to the list of lies you tell. oneshooter Apr 2012 #460
About your headline. What does this have to do with SYG? Nothing gejohnston Apr 2012 #458
The DA came out early and said that charges would not be filed against any of the 3 older men moobu2 Apr 2012 #474
Federal investigators have started their own probe... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #472
Summer Moody died last night according to her support Facebook page. moobu2 Apr 2012 #473
That's a true tragedy. :( discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #476
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