Gun Control & RKBA

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)

62. Yes. For the Yuletide.

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 03:02 PM

Dec 2011

Several posters here have claimed that Government has no business to tell them what they can do in their own home; there are a particular few that I shall avoid naming so as to avoid a call-out.

I've also been told that there is no right to public safety, and that the police have no obligation to protect and serve the community, do you agree with these sentiments?

There seems to be a pseudo anti-Constitution and companion anti-government element to the opposition to gun control - that is actually arguing against itself - it goes something like who needs more worthless laws that don't work - but this doesn't mean we need more laws or reform - and that the crime rate is down and I am safer than ever - but that's not because of gun control and better policing - it's because of more guns. I find such positions to be the height of absurdity.

Aloha.

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Remembering Arnulfo Crispin and Officer Scotty Richardson [View all] ellisonz Dec 2011 OP

simple answer gejohnston Dec 2011 #1

As with most things, it's the economy Kennah Dec 2011 #2

NLEOMF has some slightly different numbers, but casting my eye petronius Dec 2011 #3

Probably differential reporting... ellisonz Dec 2011 #4

Don't forget to remove officers shot with their own weapons from your graph line. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #7

They already are removed... ellisonz Dec 2011 #8

Going down the first page of officers, one was shot with another officer's service weapon. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #9

Sigh... Straw Man Dec 2011 #10

So what do you propose specifically in detail? ellisonz Dec 2011 #11

You're not going to like it. Straw Man Dec 2011 #13

I'm not about liking or disliking...I'm about making systems that work. ellisonz Dec 2011 #14

While this is all very entertaining, I can no longer remain silent. beevul Dec 2011 #16

Bravo! n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #21

Hear hear! I've noticed a few common traits amongst the "improvers" that we get here: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #22

And after further reading on this thread, two more traits of these wowsers are apparent... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #53

End of thread. Good job. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #25

Your argument is all over the place logically and based upon the basic idea that might is right. ellisonz Dec 2011 #28

You're so wrong... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #30

Why are the words of a conservative Republican so important? hack89 Dec 2011 #17

Why don't you ask beevul in #16... ellisonz Dec 2011 #29

Do Scalia and Thomas have sufficient stature? They are just as conservative. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #42

Did you just not get owned on the Ninth Amendment? n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #44

Actually no I didn't. You don't understand the 9th. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #48

Desperate much? ellisonz Dec 2011 #50

Read Cruikshank lately? X_Digger Dec 2011 #56

Now I have... ellisonz Dec 2011 #59

That's a lovely straw man, did you stuff it yourself? X_Digger Dec 2011 #61

Yes. For the Yuletide. ellisonz Dec 2011 #62

If what I am doing in my home harms nobody We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #63

Police have no obligation to protect *you*, the individual.. X_Digger Dec 2011 #64

Krauthammer is on YOUR side. Straw Man Dec 2011 #51

No, about systems you THINK will work. Straw Man Dec 2011 #20

We won't know unless we try. n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #31

Thing is... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #32

If Chief Justice Burger's view was correct, burf Dec 2011 #66

You are asking for details! You have been asked many times for details. oneshooter Dec 2011 #38

I have provided plenty of detail and reasoning ellisonz Dec 2011 #40

Don't give a damn how or what they do in other countries. oneshooter Dec 2011 #45

Which just shows a surprising amount of close mindedness on your part. ellisonz Dec 2011 #46

You have given no specifics, only generalities. oneshooter Dec 2011 #49

No answer yet, perhaps he is afraid to post the truth. n/t oneshooter Dec 2011 #65

How do you feel about being unarmed around all those bad guys? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #35

They are not "bad guys." Straw Man Dec 2011 #54

Glad to hear it. Keep up the good work. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #57

Sure there is ... spin Dec 2011 #19

About nine days ago CNN quoted Floyd as anticipating guns will kill more officers than traffic russ1943 Dec 2011 #5

No. rrneck Dec 2011 #6

Nope rl6214 Dec 2011 #12

No. ileus Dec 2011 #15

Why do i think more LEO's were killed in the line of duty this year? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #18

Agree, The militarization of the police scares me and has for a long time. era veteran Dec 2011 #24

afraid to ask but gejohnston Dec 2011 #43

Homeland Security Funds Armored Vehicles for Police in Yourtown, USA! / video era veteran Dec 2011 #60

Hey, I agree with you. How about that Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #36

Answers: SteveW Dec 2011 #23

62 out of 800,000 officers in the United States. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #26

So am i. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #27

One thing to consider... ellisonz Dec 2011 #33

I agree. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #34

perhaps gejohnston Dec 2011 #37

... ellisonz Dec 2011 #39

yeah gejohnston Dec 2011 #41

*sigh* ellisonz Dec 2011 #47

no kidding and that is not the point gejohnston Dec 2011 #52

Those stastics aren't kept to my knowledge. ellisonz Dec 2011 #55

Check FBI's LEOKA numbers.. X_Digger Dec 2011 #58