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baldguy

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242. That doctrine was once called "Mutual Assured Destruction"
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 05:29 PM
Apr 2012

And that label in appropriate for that idea.

Gun nuts Gman Apr 2012 #1
Anti-gun zealots rl6214 Apr 2012 #26
Why so defensive? Why so paranoid? Gman Apr 2012 #46
So you were there that night and saw everything AH1Apache Apr 2012 #53
What's your point? n/t ellisonz Apr 2012 #59
The point I'm making to that poster AH1Apache Apr 2012 #60
Well... ellisonz Apr 2012 #63
I never said people aren't entitled to an opinion AH1Apache Apr 2012 #68
I agree... ellisonz Apr 2012 #72
You are right AH1Apache Apr 2012 #88
Could she get a conviction on... sarisataka Apr 2012 #169
Absolutely. Under Fla law, Murder 2 always carries COLGATE4 Apr 2012 #187
I believe you are correct. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #188
That would make sense... sarisataka Apr 2012 #196
"Zimmerman is the perfect example." sylvi Apr 2012 #83
1. That's GMan's statement. ellisonz Apr 2012 #89
Yes it's Gman's statement sylvi Apr 2012 #115
This ain't no court of law. ellisonz Apr 2012 #125
It's not a debating society either, apparently. Straw Man Apr 2012 #133
Ain't no feckin' Tea Party neither... ellisonz Apr 2012 #136
wrong tea party gejohnston Apr 2012 #142
Actually, I was referring to the dexterity of his tap-dancing. Straw Man Apr 2012 #145
It was low hanging fruit... ellisonz Apr 2012 #150
What's the difference? ellisonz Apr 2012 #149
Ah yes, the ad hominem sylvi Apr 2012 #146
I like how you charge ad hominem... ellisonz Apr 2012 #151
The difference is sylvi Apr 2012 #155
Dodgers 9 - Padres 8 ellisonz Apr 2012 #160
Keep on tappin' ... Straw Man Apr 2012 #166
. trumad Apr 2012 #222
Show and tell? Straw Man Apr 2012 #244
No one said it was sylvi Apr 2012 #144
It is a fact that Gman Apr 2012 #107
Wow AH1Apache Apr 2012 #109
None of those three items are established facts sylvi Apr 2012 #112
Sounded pretty clear to me from the 911 operator Gman Apr 2012 #114
Apparently your the only AH1Apache Apr 2012 #118
You bailed out because you can't counter the 911 tape Gman Apr 2012 #120
Riiiiiiiiiight AH1Apache Apr 2012 #126
Well, I appreciate sylvi Apr 2012 #140
I wouldn't expect in the least for you Gman Apr 2012 #152
LOL "canned responses" sylvi Apr 2012 #156
Did Z have a legal obligation to obey the 911 operator (or dispatcher) in question? Marengo Apr 2012 #193
You're wrong Becka2515 Apr 2012 #179
A point of correction shadowrider Apr 2012 #181
Wow! Meiko Apr 2012 #190
I think it will come down to the forensics Meiko Apr 2012 #189
LOL! Gman Apr 2012 #76
I suppose NBC was totally honest in their gejohnston Apr 2012 #84
I read that canned response 2 weeks ago Gman Apr 2012 #94
Well,first of all sylvi Apr 2012 #105
I wrote that canned response gejohnston Apr 2012 #106
Yeah well Hurricame Carter was innocent too Gman Apr 2012 #116
Are you saying Hurricane isn't? gejohnston Apr 2012 #119
I actually think he was innocent Gman Apr 2012 #122
Just couldn't resist the insult could you? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #97
How do you explain yamihere Apr 2012 #159
Source??? Gman Apr 2012 #161
Don't have one yamihere Apr 2012 #171
Not at all defensive or paranoid, just truthfull and showing that two can play that game. rl6214 Apr 2012 #202
Are you denying we have a problem with gun violence in this country? n/t ellisonz Apr 2012 #2
I'm pointing out that the violence problem in the US isn't the result of guns. TheWraith Apr 2012 #8
Really? ellisonz Apr 2012 #14
you jumped to the conclusion gejohnston Apr 2012 #35
"He said gun sales are up and violent crime is dropping." ellisonz Apr 2012 #56
= correlation, not causation. gejohnston Apr 2012 #71
Sociologists calculate statistical significance too. ellisonz Apr 2012 #79
what is your beef with Hartmann? gejohnston Apr 2012 #90
I'm not a talk radio fan. ellisonz Apr 2012 #103
I have heard the phrase before gejohnston Apr 2012 #113
What's this... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #54
The royal "we" - the United States ellisonz Apr 2012 #57
Ha! discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #108
Sorry, Wraith, NO WAY I could have a positive view of the NRA, elleng Apr 2012 #3
We don't have military weapons on our streets. TheWraith Apr 2012 #7
Excuse me. 'Assault weapons.' elleng Apr 2012 #12
God help you now... ellisonz Apr 2012 #15
Well, no one's been able to remove my ability to have an opinion, yet, elleng Apr 2012 #17
Uninformed and as rationalizing at it may be... ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #124
Yes, facts matter. elleng Apr 2012 #129
VPC mantras and rationalizing are not valid arguments ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #131
It is MUCH too often TOO convenient elleng Apr 2012 #135
Still doesn't seem to make a difference eqfan592 Apr 2012 #227
Of course education and job creation would go a long way; elleng Apr 2012 #233
I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree AH1Apache Apr 2012 #132
Yes, I didn't, of course, say 'ALL guns kill people.' elleng Apr 2012 #134
You're right AH1Apache Apr 2012 #137
Thanks. elleng Apr 2012 #143
Guns kill people like roads kill people SATIRical Apr 2012 #191
The usual crap. Straw Man Apr 2012 #18
Thank you for making my point. ellisonz Apr 2012 #48
Why semantics are important in this debate Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #98
*yawn* ellisonz Apr 2012 #104
Is that really your point? Straw Man Apr 2012 #128
Yes. ellisonz Apr 2012 #130
Just so we're clear, ... Straw Man Apr 2012 #138
You call it "tired" because you can't call it wrong. Of what value is an petronius Apr 2012 #139
If you like... ellisonz Apr 2012 #148
You may do so gladly, but you do it mistakenly petronius Apr 2012 #153
"I actually don't know what some gun control advocates mean" ellisonz Apr 2012 #154
You may choose ambiguity over clarity if you prefer, of course petronius Apr 2012 #157
Accepting a certain-level of ambiguity is part of life... ellisonz Apr 2012 #158
And you want felony convictions based on ambiguous criteria. Straw Man Apr 2012 #164
And you want the madness to continue... ellisonz Apr 2012 #165
Please identify the madness ... Straw Man Apr 2012 #167
Easy... ellisonz Apr 2012 #168
The Brady Bill? Straw Man Apr 2012 #170
We're talking in general... ellisonz Apr 2012 #173
Why then... beevul Apr 2012 #178
Crap, crap, and more crap. Straw Man Apr 2012 #209
Clarity and precision is especially important in the context of policy petronius Apr 2012 #194
You don't know what you mean either, apparently. Straw Man Apr 2012 #162
I don't think it means what you think it means derby378 Apr 2012 #212
It's a 'noble' ignorance- why risk being 'tainted' by knowledge? X_Digger Apr 2012 #240
Talk about playing a "semantic game"... rl6214 Apr 2012 #31
They don't. n/t Clames Apr 2012 #22
I don't believe they've been asked, properly. elleng Apr 2012 #25
The majority in the country don't know what 'Assault weapons' are... rl6214 Apr 2012 #30
Which is why I conclude elleng Apr 2012 #33
I suspect a strong majority would also support stricter controls of assault weapons. DCBob Apr 2012 #28
Right. elleng Apr 2012 #36
Do you even know what an "assault weapon" is? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #39
The typical RW argument. DCBob Apr 2012 #62
So you have no clue of what your talking about AH1Apache Apr 2012 #64
if you dont know just search Google... that might help you. DCBob Apr 2012 #67
Your the one who made the claim about assault weapons AH1Apache Apr 2012 #74
Trust me.. its easy.. just type in "assault weapon".. then press "search" button. DCBob Apr 2012 #78
Is that what you were thinking of? Straw Man Apr 2012 #141
Why? What threat do they really represent? hack89 Apr 2012 #70
Are many people killed by grenades? DCBob Apr 2012 #77
Are there millions of grenades in the hands of the public? hack89 Apr 2012 #82
who said "semi-automatics" were assault weapons?? DCBob Apr 2012 #85
If you are talking about "automatics" gejohnston Apr 2012 #92
The Assault Weapon Ban only applied to semi-automatic weapons. hack89 Apr 2012 #93
thanks, thats what I thought... and isnt it relatively easy to convert a semi-automatic.. DCBob Apr 2012 #175
No. Also gejohnston Apr 2012 #176
Very hard hack89 Apr 2012 #182
There was DU discussion about this awhile back which suggested it was doable. DCBob Apr 2012 #184
Bump firing is not full auto hack89 Apr 2012 #195
You are probably right about all of this but.. DCBob Apr 2012 #197
NO, it's not rl6214 Apr 2012 #205
actually I dont. DCBob Apr 2012 #211
Ummm, that's what "Assault Weapons" are - semi auto DonP Apr 2012 #110
That's revealing... ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #111
Who? Straw Man Apr 2012 #147
Twice as many people are killed by hands and feet each year. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #100
"arms created for killing during WARS should be banned from the streets of the country." oneshooter Apr 2012 #121
Don't forget the bayonet (nt) SATIRical Apr 2012 #192
"keeping arms created for killing during WARS should be banned from the streets of the country" Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #198
I stand by my statement, elleng Apr 2012 #200
What if a war is fought with hammers and screwdrivers? Ban them too? shadowrider Apr 2012 #201
The first wars were fought with sharp rocks and fire-hardened sticks. Ban them! Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #204
Ok...so we've established that you want to ban wooden clubs. What about arms that *weren't" created Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #203
And I turned it up so I could hear it in the next room. DURHAM D Apr 2012 #4
The issue isn't gun ownership - it is responsible vs IRRESPONSIBLE gun ownership Siwsan Apr 2012 #5
Actually, the problem is drugs. TheWraith Apr 2012 #11
There's no such thing as "responsable gun ownership" baldguy Apr 2012 #219
the average person has more of a reason in a gejohnston Apr 2012 #229
The only reason to carry a gun in a city is if you think humans should be treated as prey. baldguy Apr 2012 #230
Or, one might think.... WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #237
That doctrine was once called "Mutual Assured Destruction" baldguy Apr 2012 #242
has nothing to do with MAD gejohnston Apr 2012 #243
You're afraid that some unnamed, unknown nefarious person is armed & will do you harm. baldguy Apr 2012 #245
you get this where? gejohnston Apr 2012 #246
I'll make it simple for you: Zimmerman was afraid of "gangsters", so he carried a gun. baldguy Apr 2012 #250
Look whos talking. Thats a low personal attack baldguy. Even for you. beevul Apr 2012 #251
Your response amounts to little more than "I'm rubber and you're glue..." baldguy Apr 2012 #254
Nonsense. beevul Apr 2012 #256
Wow. That's off base. NT WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #253
*Pffft* A few killings here and there, TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #6
I can't watch her... Clames Apr 2012 #9
"...they lose the capacity for rationality when guns are involved." tosh Apr 2012 #10
Maybe when progressive gun owners do something to reign in the extremist actions of the NRA hlthe2b Apr 2012 #13
He championed plenty... Clames Apr 2012 #16
While in office, he has championed ZERO gun control legislation. ZERO. again, ZERO hlthe2b Apr 2012 #19
Maybe he came to the realization... Clames Apr 2012 #24
More like has zero chance of passage, elleng Apr 2012 #27
You must have missed... Clames Apr 2012 #32
I don't believe their power is a myth. elleng Apr 2012 #47
That was political power as defined by the ability to swing elections... ellisonz Apr 2012 #61
But I thought that according to a certain poster here AH1Apache Apr 2012 #42
They are; don't know about 'a certain poster.' Will check. elleng Apr 2012 #49
Apparently it is ok that NRA supports only RWers and does everything possible to defeat Dems. hlthe2b Apr 2012 #40
Apparently its even believed by some that THAT is the truth. beevul Apr 2012 #172
a handful--mostly DINOS... and you think THAT proves your point...?! hlthe2b Apr 2012 #174
No, thats not what I think. beevul Apr 2012 #177
I have to doubt your veracity... hlthe2b Apr 2012 #180
i'm sure you do. beevul Apr 2012 #185
Here are some from 2010.. X_Digger Apr 2012 #241
Are you voting for President Obama in 2012? n/t ellisonz Apr 2012 #51
Gun worship is turning this country into a war zone. DCBob Apr 2012 #20
You mean the Wild West... Clames Apr 2012 #29
Typical of the anti-gun zealots...I am a gun owner, I hunt... rl6214 Apr 2012 #38
But, but, but AH1Apache Apr 2012 #43
reminds me a little of bit like gejohnston Apr 2012 #45
I have no idea if Im typical at all. DCBob Apr 2012 #65
I'm always skeptical of the media gejohnston Apr 2012 #80
Be careful now, gejonston. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #228
Ain't that the truth shadowrider Apr 2012 #249
War zone = lowest levels of gun violence in 50 years? Really? nt hack89 Apr 2012 #66
I suspect that will be picking up if the RW doesnt get their way this next election. DCBob Apr 2012 #73
Gun grabbers have been predicting blood in the street for years. hack89 Apr 2012 #75
somehow your assurances dont make me feel any more comfortable. DCBob Apr 2012 #81
Your paranoid fear should not be the reason I lose my civil rights. hack89 Apr 2012 #86
"Draconian"?? no. Sensible.. yes. DCBob Apr 2012 #91
Describe these loopholes. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #95
for example? gejohnston Apr 2012 #96
Annnnnnndddddd........ PavePusher Apr 2012 #213
"sounds like trouble to me." rl6214 Apr 2012 #206
everything she thinks she knows about firearms is wrong...the guns kill people types. ileus Apr 2012 #21
Doubt it. elleng Apr 2012 #23
Here is something for you and your gun buddies. I wish to hell Obama would put some gun southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #34
one thing gejohnston Apr 2012 #41
A white kid has the luxury of walking anywhere at any time without being stop. But really I don't southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #44
30,000+ gun control laws on the books AH1Apache Apr 2012 #50
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #87
for example? gejohnston Apr 2012 #99
Still with the insults AH1Apache Apr 2012 #101
You give the canned answers you do and you Gman Apr 2012 #117
Is that all you have? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #123
Dodge. PavePusher Apr 2012 #214
gun control isn't the issue gejohnston Apr 2012 #58
Why? Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #102
That is baloney. Obama hasn't instituted one gun law. Not one. If it ever got on to any ballot southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #183
Maybe that's the issue right there WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #207
Like or not ---- your right about that. I don't like and there is nothing I can do about it. So I southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #208
I'm not much of a fan of criminals with guns WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #215
Well you might be right but it still is crazy. Sometimes people kill another because they southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #218
"had something happen to their family member maybe they'd see things different." WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #216
Well to me killing the person who kills someoneelse makes it way to easy. Kill the prisoner and southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #220
Uh, I didn't say he did. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #210
Do you really want him to lose the election? hack89 Apr 2012 #69
Of course not. I am not stupid. I don't want him to give the NRA an openning. Hell they already southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #186
The only way passing rational federal gun control laws would cost Obama the election baldguy Apr 2012 #221
Do you deny the role of swing voters in presidential elections? hack89 Apr 2012 #223
Are you advocating that Democratic gun owners abandon Obama in 2012? baldguy Apr 2012 #226
since it has been written out of the 2012 gejohnston Apr 2012 #231
So, if gun control is included in the 2012 party platform, you won't support the Democrats? baldguy Apr 2012 #232
did not avoid the question gejohnston Apr 2012 #234
Since you refuse to answer a simple, point-blank question, I'll answer it for you. baldguy Apr 2012 #238
No - I am saying that he would alienate independents and other swing voters hack89 Apr 2012 #235
She wasn't getting to the root cause of the violence TomClash Apr 2012 #37
Few DO get to the root of the violence; elleng Apr 2012 #52
Alot of it, in my humble opinion, AH1Apache Apr 2012 #55
Her irrational screeds on firearms are often factually flawed...which decreases ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #127
When I turned off Rachel on 1/11/11 I never turned her back on. Simo 1939_1940 Apr 2012 #163
I have to agree Meiko Apr 2012 #199
Kicking This One...... Paladin Apr 2012 #217
I had no idea being pro-2A and pro-gun was hyper-conservative shadowrider Apr 2012 #224
If you support RW Republican orgs & their goals, how can you claim to be a Democrat? baldguy Apr 2012 #225
Well, as usual you didn't answer the question but I'm used to the ball shadowrider Apr 2012 #236
The NRA is a RW conservative org aligned with the GOP. baldguy Apr 2012 #239
And you are wrong. Clames Apr 2012 #247
This is how: (and it is a most thoughtful and coherent thesis) Simo 1939_1940 Apr 2012 #248
Urban fear fightforfreedom123 Apr 2012 #252
Right..... fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #255
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