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In the discussion thread: I just had to turn off Rachel Maddow. [View all]

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:40 PM

hlthe2b (47,287 posts)

13. Maybe when progressive gun owners do something to reign in the extremist actions of the NRA

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Show me one piece of anti-gun legislation (gun control legislation) that Obama has championed. Just one.

There are none and yet, many of our own progressive gun owners join the far RW in backing NRA as they do everything possible to defeat Democrats. And you wonder why many of us really resent those who do that?

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I just had to turn off Rachel Maddow. [View all]	TheWraith	Apr 2012	OP
Gun nuts	Gman	Apr 2012	#1
Anti-gun zealots	rl6214	Apr 2012	#26
Why so defensive? Why so paranoid?	Gman	Apr 2012	#46
So you were there that night and saw everything	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#53
What's your point? n/t	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#59
The point I'm making to that poster	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#60
Well...	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#63
I never said people aren't entitled to an opinion	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#68
I agree...	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#72
You are right	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#88
Could she get a conviction on...	sarisataka	Apr 2012	#169
Absolutely. Under Fla law, Murder 2 always carries	COLGATE4	Apr 2012	#187
I believe you are correct.	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#188
That would make sense...	sarisataka	Apr 2012	#196
"Zimmerman is the perfect example."	sylvi	Apr 2012	#83
1. That's GMan's statement.	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#89
Yes it's Gman's statement	sylvi	Apr 2012	#115
This ain't no court of law.	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#125
It's not a debating society either, apparently.	Straw Man	Apr 2012	#133
Ain't no feckin' Tea Party neither...	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#136
wrong tea party	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#142
Actually, I was referring to the dexterity of his tap-dancing.	Straw Man	Apr 2012	#145
It was low hanging fruit...	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#150
What's the difference?	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#149
Ah yes, the ad hominem	sylvi	Apr 2012	#146
I like how you charge ad hominem...	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#151
The difference is	sylvi	Apr 2012	#155
Dodgers 9 - Padres 8	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#160
Keep on tappin' ...	Straw Man	Apr 2012	#166
.	trumad	Apr 2012	#222
Show and tell?	Straw Man	Apr 2012	#244
No one said it was	sylvi	Apr 2012	#144
It is a fact that	Gman	Apr 2012	#107
Wow	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#109
None of those three items are established facts	sylvi	Apr 2012	#112
Sounded pretty clear to me from the 911 operator	Gman	Apr 2012	#114
Apparently your the only	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#118
You bailed out because you can't counter the 911 tape	Gman	Apr 2012	#120
Riiiiiiiiiight	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#126
Well, I appreciate	sylvi	Apr 2012	#140
I wouldn't expect in the least for you	Gman	Apr 2012	#152
LOL "canned responses"	sylvi	Apr 2012	#156
Did Z have a legal obligation to obey the 911 operator (or dispatcher) in question?	Marengo	Apr 2012	#193
You're wrong	Becka2515	Apr 2012	#179
A point of correction	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#181
Wow!	Meiko	Apr 2012	#190
I think it will come down to the forensics	Meiko	Apr 2012	#189
LOL!	Gman	Apr 2012	#76
I suppose NBC was totally honest in their	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#84
I read that canned response 2 weeks ago	Gman	Apr 2012	#94
Well,first of all	sylvi	Apr 2012	#105
I wrote that canned response	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#106
Yeah well Hurricame Carter was innocent too	Gman	Apr 2012	#116
Are you saying Hurricane isn't?	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#119
I actually think he was innocent	Gman	Apr 2012	#122
Just couldn't resist the insult could you?	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#97
How do you explain	yamihere	Apr 2012	#159
Source???	Gman	Apr 2012	#161
Don't have one	yamihere	Apr 2012	#171
Not at all defensive or paranoid, just truthfull and showing that two can play that game.	rl6214	Apr 2012	#202
Are you denying we have a problem with gun violence in this country? n/t	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#2
I'm pointing out that the violence problem in the US isn't the result of guns.	TheWraith	Apr 2012	#8
Really?	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#14
you jumped to the conclusion	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#35
"He said gun sales are up and violent crime is dropping."	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#56
= correlation, not causation.	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#71
Sociologists calculate statistical significance too.	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#79
what is your beef with Hartmann?	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#90
I'm not a talk radio fan.	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#103
I have heard the phrase before	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#113
What's this...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Apr 2012	#54
The royal "we" - the United States	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#57
Ha!	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Apr 2012	#108
Sorry, Wraith, NO WAY I could have a positive view of the NRA,	elleng	Apr 2012	#3
We don't have military weapons on our streets.	TheWraith	Apr 2012	#7
Excuse me. 'Assault weapons.'	elleng	Apr 2012	#12
God help you now...	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#15
Well, no one's been able to remove my ability to have an opinion, yet,	elleng	Apr 2012	#17
Uninformed and as rationalizing at it may be...	ProgressiveProfessor	Apr 2012	#124
Yes, facts matter.	elleng	Apr 2012	#129
VPC mantras and rationalizing are not valid arguments	ProgressiveProfessor	Apr 2012	#131
It is MUCH too often TOO convenient	elleng	Apr 2012	#135
Still doesn't seem to make a difference	eqfan592	Apr 2012	#227
Of course education and job creation would go a long way;	elleng	Apr 2012	#233
I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#132
Yes, I didn't, of course, say 'ALL guns kill people.'	elleng	Apr 2012	#134
You're right	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#137
Thanks.	elleng	Apr 2012	#143
Guns kill people like roads kill people	SATIRical	Apr 2012	#191
The usual crap.	Straw Man	Apr 2012	#18
Thank you for making my point.	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#48
Why semantics are important in this debate	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#98
yawn	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#104
Is that really your point?	Straw Man	Apr 2012	#128
Yes.	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#130
Just so we're clear, ...	Straw Man	Apr 2012	#138
You call it "tired" because you can't call it wrong. Of what value is an	petronius	Apr 2012	#139
If you like...	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#148
You may do so gladly, but you do it mistakenly	petronius	Apr 2012	#153
"I actually don't know what some gun control advocates mean"	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#154
You may choose ambiguity over clarity if you prefer, of course	petronius	Apr 2012	#157
Accepting a certain-level of ambiguity is part of life...	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#158
And you want felony convictions based on ambiguous criteria.	Straw Man	Apr 2012	#164
And you want the madness to continue...	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#165
Please identify the madness ...	Straw Man	Apr 2012	#167
Easy...	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#168
The Brady Bill?	Straw Man	Apr 2012	#170
We're talking in general...	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#173
Why then...	beevul	Apr 2012	#178
Crap, crap, and more crap.	Straw Man	Apr 2012	#209
Clarity and precision is especially important in the context of policy	petronius	Apr 2012	#194
You don't know what you mean either, apparently.	Straw Man	Apr 2012	#162
I don't think it means what you think it means	derby378	Apr 2012	#212
It's a 'noble' ignorance- why risk being 'tainted' by knowledge?	X_Digger	Apr 2012	#240
Talk about playing a "semantic game"...	rl6214	Apr 2012	#31
They don't. n/t	Clames	Apr 2012	#22
I don't believe they've been asked, properly.	elleng	Apr 2012	#25
The majority in the country don't know what 'Assault weapons' are...	rl6214	Apr 2012	#30
Which is why I conclude	elleng	Apr 2012	#33
I suspect a strong majority would also support stricter controls of assault weapons.	DCBob	Apr 2012	#28
Right.	elleng	Apr 2012	#36
Do you even know what an "assault weapon" is?	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#39
The typical RW argument.	DCBob	Apr 2012	#62
So you have no clue of what your talking about	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#64
if you dont know just search Google... that might help you.	DCBob	Apr 2012	#67
Your the one who made the claim about assault weapons	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#74
Trust me.. its easy.. just type in "assault weapon".. then press "search" button.	DCBob	Apr 2012	#78
Is that what you were thinking of?	Straw Man	Apr 2012	#141
Why? What threat do they really represent?	hack89	Apr 2012	#70
Are many people killed by grenades?	DCBob	Apr 2012	#77
Are there millions of grenades in the hands of the public?	hack89	Apr 2012	#82
who said "semi-automatics" were assault weapons??	DCBob	Apr 2012	#85
If you are talking about "automatics"	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#92
The Assault Weapon Ban only applied to semi-automatic weapons.	hack89	Apr 2012	#93
thanks, thats what I thought... and isnt it relatively easy to convert a semi-automatic..	DCBob	Apr 2012	#175
No. Also	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#176
Very hard	hack89	Apr 2012	#182
There was DU discussion about this awhile back which suggested it was doable.	DCBob	Apr 2012	#184
Bump firing is not full auto	hack89	Apr 2012	#195
You are probably right about all of this but..	DCBob	Apr 2012	#197
NO, it's not	rl6214	Apr 2012	#205
actually I dont.	DCBob	Apr 2012	#211
Ummm, that's what "Assault Weapons" are - semi auto	DonP	Apr 2012	#110
That's revealing...	ManiacJoe	Apr 2012	#111
Who?	Straw Man	Apr 2012	#147
Twice as many people are killed by hands and feet each year.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#100
"arms created for killing during WARS should be banned from the streets of the country."	oneshooter	Apr 2012	#121
Don't forget the bayonet (nt)	SATIRical	Apr 2012	#192
"keeping arms created for killing during WARS should be banned from the streets of the country"	Johnny Rico	Apr 2012	#198
I stand by my statement,	elleng	Apr 2012	#200
What if a war is fought with hammers and screwdrivers? Ban them too?	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#201
The first wars were fought with sharp rocks and fire-hardened sticks. Ban them!	Johnny Rico	Apr 2012	#204
Ok...so we've established that you want to ban wooden clubs. What about arms that *weren't" created	Johnny Rico	Apr 2012	#203
And I turned it up so I could hear it in the next room.	DURHAM D	Apr 2012	#4
The issue isn't gun ownership - it is responsible vs IRRESPONSIBLE gun ownership	Siwsan	Apr 2012	#5
Actually, the problem is drugs.	TheWraith	Apr 2012	#11
There's no such thing as "responsable gun ownership"	baldguy	Apr 2012	#219
the average person has more of a reason in a	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#229
The only reason to carry a gun in a city is if you think humans should be treated as prey.	baldguy	Apr 2012	#230
Or, one might think....	WinniSkipper	Apr 2012	#237
That doctrine was once called "Mutual Assured Destruction"	baldguy	Apr 2012	#242
has nothing to do with MAD	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#243
You're afraid that some unnamed, unknown nefarious person is armed & will do you harm.	baldguy	Apr 2012	#245
you get this where?	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#246
I'll make it simple for you: Zimmerman was afraid of "gangsters", so he carried a gun.	baldguy	Apr 2012	#250
Look whos talking. Thats a low personal attack baldguy. Even for you.	beevul	Apr 2012	#251
Your response amounts to little more than "I'm rubber and you're glue..."	baldguy	Apr 2012	#254
Nonsense.	beevul	Apr 2012	#256
Wow. That's off base. NT	WinniSkipper	Apr 2012	#253
Pffft A few killings here and there,	TheCowsCameHome	Apr 2012	#6
I can't watch her...	Clames	Apr 2012	#9
"...they lose the capacity for rationality when guns are involved."	tosh	Apr 2012	#10
Maybe when progressive gun owners do something to reign in the extremist actions of the NRA	hlthe2b	Apr 2012	#13
He championed plenty...	Clames	Apr 2012	#16
While in office, he has championed ZERO gun control legislation. ZERO. again, ZERO	hlthe2b	Apr 2012	#19
Maybe he came to the realization...	Clames	Apr 2012	#24
More like has zero chance of passage,	elleng	Apr 2012	#27
You must have missed...	Clames	Apr 2012	#32
I don't believe their power is a myth.	elleng	Apr 2012	#47
That was political power as defined by the ability to swing elections...	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#61
But I thought that according to a certain poster here	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#42
They are; don't know about 'a certain poster.' Will check.	elleng	Apr 2012	#49
Apparently it is ok that NRA supports only RWers and does everything possible to defeat Dems.	hlthe2b	Apr 2012	#40
Apparently its even believed by some that THAT is the truth.	beevul	Apr 2012	#172
a handful--mostly DINOS... and you think THAT proves your point...?!	hlthe2b	Apr 2012	#174
No, thats not what I think.	beevul	Apr 2012	#177
I have to doubt your veracity...	hlthe2b	Apr 2012	#180
i'm sure you do.	beevul	Apr 2012	#185
Here are some from 2010..	X_Digger	Apr 2012	#241
Are you voting for President Obama in 2012? n/t	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#51
Gun worship is turning this country into a war zone.	DCBob	Apr 2012	#20
You mean the Wild West...	Clames	Apr 2012	#29
Typical of the anti-gun zealots...I am a gun owner, I hunt...	rl6214	Apr 2012	#38
But, but, but	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#43
reminds me a little of bit like	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#45
I have no idea if Im typical at all.	DCBob	Apr 2012	#65
I'm always skeptical of the media	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#80
Be careful now, gejonston.	eqfan592	Apr 2012	#228
Ain't that the truth	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#249
War zone = lowest levels of gun violence in 50 years? Really? nt	hack89	Apr 2012	#66
I suspect that will be picking up if the RW doesnt get their way this next election.	DCBob	Apr 2012	#73
Gun grabbers have been predicting blood in the street for years.	hack89	Apr 2012	#75
somehow your assurances dont make me feel any more comfortable.	DCBob	Apr 2012	#81
Your paranoid fear should not be the reason I lose my civil rights.	hack89	Apr 2012	#86
"Draconian"?? no. Sensible.. yes.	DCBob	Apr 2012	#91
Describe these loopholes. nt	hack89	Apr 2012	#95
for example?	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#96
Annnnnnndddddd........	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#213
"sounds like trouble to me."	rl6214	Apr 2012	#206
everything she thinks she knows about firearms is wrong...the guns kill people types.	ileus	Apr 2012	#21
Doubt it.	elleng	Apr 2012	#23
Here is something for you and your gun buddies. I wish to hell Obama would put some gun	southernyankeebelle	Apr 2012	#34
one thing	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#41
A white kid has the luxury of walking anywhere at any time without being stop. But really I don't	southernyankeebelle	Apr 2012	#44
30,000+ gun control laws on the books	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#50
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Gman	Apr 2012	#87
for example?	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#99
Still with the insults	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#101
You give the canned answers you do and you	Gman	Apr 2012	#117
Is that all you have?	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#123
Dodge.	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#214
gun control isn't the issue	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#58
Why?	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#102
That is baloney. Obama hasn't instituted one gun law. Not one. If it ever got on to any ballot	southernyankeebelle	Apr 2012	#183
Maybe that's the issue right there	WinniSkipper	Apr 2012	#207
Like or not ---- your right about that. I don't like and there is nothing I can do about it. So I	southernyankeebelle	Apr 2012	#208
I'm not much of a fan of criminals with guns	WinniSkipper	Apr 2012	#215
Well you might be right but it still is crazy. Sometimes people kill another because they	southernyankeebelle	Apr 2012	#218
"had something happen to their family member maybe they'd see things different."	WinniSkipper	Apr 2012	#216
Well to me killing the person who kills someoneelse makes it way to easy. Kill the prisoner and	southernyankeebelle	Apr 2012	#220
Uh, I didn't say he did.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#210
Do you really want him to lose the election?	hack89	Apr 2012	#69
Of course not. I am not stupid. I don't want him to give the NRA an openning. Hell they already	southernyankeebelle	Apr 2012	#186
The only way passing rational federal gun control laws would cost Obama the election	baldguy	Apr 2012	#221
Do you deny the role of swing voters in presidential elections?	hack89	Apr 2012	#223
Are you advocating that Democratic gun owners abandon Obama in 2012?	baldguy	Apr 2012	#226
since it has been written out of the 2012	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#231
So, if gun control is included in the 2012 party platform, you won't support the Democrats?	baldguy	Apr 2012	#232
did not avoid the question	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#234
Since you refuse to answer a simple, point-blank question, I'll answer it for you.	baldguy	Apr 2012	#238
No - I am saying that he would alienate independents and other swing voters	hack89	Apr 2012	#235
She wasn't getting to the root cause of the violence	TomClash	Apr 2012	#37
Few DO get to the root of the violence;	elleng	Apr 2012	#52
Alot of it, in my humble opinion,	AH1Apache	Apr 2012	#55
Her irrational screeds on firearms are often factually flawed...which decreases	ProgressiveProfessor	Apr 2012	#127
When I turned off Rachel on 1/11/11 I never turned her back on.	Simo 1939_1940	Apr 2012	#163
I have to agree	Meiko	Apr 2012	#199
Kicking This One......	Paladin	Apr 2012	#217
I had no idea being pro-2A and pro-gun was hyper-conservative	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#224
If you support RW Republican orgs & their goals, how can you claim to be a Democrat?	baldguy	Apr 2012	#225
Well, as usual you didn't answer the question but I'm used to the ball	shadowrider	Apr 2012	#236
The NRA is a RW conservative org aligned with the GOP.	baldguy	Apr 2012	#239
And you are wrong.	Clames	Apr 2012	#247
This is how: (and it is a most thoughtful and coherent thesis)	Simo 1939_1940	Apr 2012	#248
Urban fear	fightforfreedom123	Apr 2012	#252
Right.....	fightthegoodfightnow	Apr 2012	#255

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