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Response to gejohnston (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:15 AM

6. LOL, the "whole truth"...

The whole truth is that, in many states, guns can easily be bought by criminals without going through a background check. All they need to do is find an unlicensed dealer -- i.e. someone who's not officially in the business of buying and selling guns for a living. And it's easy to find such people, for example, on the internet, or at gun shows.

Moreover, it would be easy to close this loophole, and in fact legislation has been proposed to do just that. Polls show this is supported by large majorities, on the order of 80% or more. Which makes sense, after all, what kind of nut would think you should be able to buy a gun without a background check?

And this has nothing to do with the constitution, it's purely about money and ideology. Can you cite any serious constitutional scholars who think that this would violate the commerce clause, or did you just pick this up on some loony gun blog? I'm guessing loony gun blog...


And the second point is that guns from the US, including guns bought through the gun show loophole, are major contributors to the escalation of gun violence in Mexico. Once again, almost all serious observers are in agreement here. The dissent comes mainly from gun blogs and NRA press releases, neither of which is known for being particularly reliable or honest...

The trace data shows that huge numbers of the weapons come from the US. On the other hand, there is no evidence of weapons coming from anywhere other than the US in significant numbers. Of course, that doesn't stop people like you from offering speculation (the NRA's favorite form of argument) and anecdotes (the NRA's favorite kind of evidence) to the contrary. And to a small extent, you are right, a fraction of the weapons used by Mexican drug gangs come from elsewhere.

But, like I said, the quantifiable hard evidence, along with the opinions of most serious observers (e.g. both Mexican and US agents and officials, and even cartel members) point to the US civilian market as the main source of guns fueling Mexican cartel violence. From a recent Guardian article on the topic.


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"The United States is the easiest and the cheapest place for drug traffickers to get their firearms, and as long as we are the easiest and cheapest place for the cartels to get their firearms there'll continue to be gun trafficking," said J Dewey Webb, the special agent in charge of pursuing weapons traffickers in Texas at the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).
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According to the US Government Accountability Office, 87% of firearms seized by Mexico over the previous five years were traced to the US. Texas was the single largest source. The US attorney general, Eric Holder, told Congress last month that of 94,000 weapons captured from drug traffickers by the Mexican authorities, over 64,000 originated in the US.

One of the most senior members of the Zetas, Jesus Enrique Rejon Aguilar, said after his capture in July that the cartel is armed by weapons from American gun shops.

"All the weapons are bought in the United States," he said in a video recorded by the Mexican federal police.
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Yes, I know, FOX and WorldNetDaily tell a different story. Must be that "liberal media bias"...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/08/us-guns-mexico-drug-cartels

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