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In the discussion thread: Another Florida CCW permit holder stands their ground, kills assailant. [View all]

Wed Apr 4, 2012, 01:56 PM

gejohnston (12,830 posts)

5. TV westerns are not documentaries.

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how about picking up a history book or going to a small town museum in the west, it was hardly wild. Most did not even wear a gun. They owned them, but never wore pistols in their daily chores.
In many ways, the "wild" west was actually more civilized than the "tame" east. It was certainly more progressive in terms of womens rights (especially in Wyoming) and left wing populism (like how well the Socialist Party did in the Dakotas.) Oh yea, only about half of the cowboys were white.

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133 replies	Author	Time	Post
Another Florida CCW permit holder stands their ground, kills assailant. [View all]	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	OP
"Good for the store owner!" Maybe, except that a major can of worms has now been opened.	teddy51	Apr 2012	#1
Oh please. They've been saying that for decades. It's still not true.	TheWraith	Apr 2012	#4
Uhhh	davidthegnome	Apr 2012	#7
It may have been "legally justified", but morally justified to kill a 16 yo WIthOUT REGRET?	hlthe2b	Apr 2012	#10
"I know the police does not teach non-lethal wounding shots in most jurisdictions anymore..."	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#17
and your comments are just	hlthe2b	Apr 2012	#73
but accurate	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#74
I note that you are usually among the more moderate here...	hlthe2b	Apr 2012	#75
let me clarify	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#79
Suggesting you "shoot to wound" IS foolish.	Callisto32	Apr 2012	#88
I did NOT call you any names.	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#112
Depends on what you mean by "regret."	Lizzie Poppet	Apr 2012	#49
Does the age of an assailant make you less dead?	sarisataka	Apr 2012	#57
Reminds of another Florida case a few months ago	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#66
Is it "morally justified" for a 16yo to threaten anyone with a gun?	rl6214	Apr 2012	#67
Well said.	NewMoonTherian	Apr 2012	#81
"Non lethal, wounding shots"	Callisto32	Apr 2012	#87
TV westerns are not documentaries.	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#5
Maybe but...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Apr 2012	#11
Firearms in circulation are up, but crime is down.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#13
Dang right thar Darryl!	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#33
I don't see what this has to do with the topic at hand.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#37
aka, "Look over here, don't look over there!!!!" is my guess. n/t	X_Digger	Apr 2012	#39
I believe that would be the most generous interpretation.	Simo 1939_1940	Apr 2012	#56
There are lots of things you don't see.	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#43
Please elaborate.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#53
You're kidding right? Please elaborate?	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#62
I was talking about the whole mirror and picture thing.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#91
Let me get this straight	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#111
No.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#116
His bigotry is showing again.	rl6214	Apr 2012	#68
That is so cool.	Glassunion	Apr 2012	#46
I know and his fashion sense is perfect.	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#47
This is a rather staged photo.	Glassunion	Apr 2012	#48
Please tell me where I can get shorts like that n/t	sarisataka	Apr 2012	#59
I take it the pic is from	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#70
I've no idea where it's from	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#76
the architecture is wrong	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#80
Them roofs looks to be fer sheddin' snow.	Callisto32	Apr 2012	#89
You are right!!	one-eyed fat man	Apr 2012	#72
Meh.	Callisto32	Apr 2012	#86
Another tragedy made your day. Congratulations.	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#2
Seeing good triumph over evil usually does make my day.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#16
"Evil"? A 16 year-old trying to hold up a store for $20-$100 is your	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#19
It certainly isn't my definition of "good".	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#20
No wonder we can't discuss guns, safety, crime, nor other subjects. We	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#27
LOL.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#34
I'm sorry that you live your life without compassion and in constant fear.	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#42
I have plenty of compassion and I am not in constant fear.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#52
Clearly there is a difference between breaking a jaywalking law and	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#95
Interesting spin.	X_Digger	Apr 2012	#98
I'm glad you agree.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#99
I hope we will replace deadly 'tools' as well. However, I will continue	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#100
I respect your choice. I hope you will respect the choice of others who think differently.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#103
Good grief - how in hell did you come up with those assumptions?!	Simo 1939_1940	Apr 2012	#58
If you think you have to have a gun with you at all times to	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#94
Unfounded accusation. Nice dodge.	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#113
Can you not see reply 94?	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#114
I see it.	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#119
If the person holding the gun/knife/bat didn't make you think that you actually expected..	X_Digger	Apr 2012	#41
Maybe they would kill me and maybe they wouldn't. If their aim was solely to	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#45
If you had a 10-shot revolver....	Lizzie Poppet	Apr 2012	#50
Are you willing to risk being the one in ten?	X_Digger	Apr 2012	#55
I already answered that question. Yes, I'm willing to take that risk.	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#93
And I'm not.	X_Digger	Apr 2012	#97
and sometimes	sarisataka	Apr 2012	#60
Because they don't know how to open the register	WinniSkipper	Apr 2012	#82
Armed robberies are a crapshoot!	one-eyed fat man	Apr 2012	#130
Can the victim trust a person who has threatened to kill them, and is holding a weapon ready	AtheistCrusader	Apr 2012	#133
16 year olds can't be cold blooded killers?	hack89	Apr 2012	#22
Yes.	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#25
That is your choice to make.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#35
Thanks.	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#44
No problem. It's all I expect from anyone.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#54
No	ileus	Apr 2012	#30
You haven't seen the half of it.	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#38
Your disingenuity is showing	pipoman	Apr 2012	#63
Thought he was 16. OK not a child, a youth.	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#65
Yeah,	pipoman	Apr 2012	#69
Looks like they did during the 90's	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#77
That's a pretty vile insinuation to make about the military.	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#115
Excuse me, but what is vile and what am I insinuating?	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#121
something in common	gejohnston	Apr 2012	#122
Absolutely. It was a total fiasco.	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#128
This:	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#127
Oh, please! "Indulge a desire to kill people"? You need to reword.	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#129
That kid could have KILLED SOMEONE!	slackmaster	Apr 2012	#85
Wow. But he didn't kill anybody. The clerk did.	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#96
His death was an unfortunate but justifiable result of HIS BAD CHOICE to point a gun at the clerk	slackmaster	Apr 2012	#104
Threating violent force against a fellow human being for such small sums sure as hell is.	Callisto32	Apr 2012	#90
Evil.	Straw Man	Apr 2012	#101
As I stated up-thread, you and I don't agree on even basic definitions.	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#102
Your problem is that you think "things" can be good/evil.	ManiacJoe	Apr 2012	#105
The dictionary doesn't even agree with you. Evil as an adjective...	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#106
Thank you for proving me correct.	ManiacJoe	Apr 2012	#123
Read the entire definition. Things most certainly can and are 'morally reprehensible'.	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#124
I read the whole thing. You are still confused.	ManiacJoe	Apr 2012	#125
I find guns and violence morally reprehensible. And good-bye.	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#126
In this case, a 16-year-old CHOSE to pick up an "evil" tool and use it for an unlawful purpose	slackmaster	Apr 2012	#107
IMHO, it's still in the gun. My belief system says people cannot be 'evil' nor	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#108
This message was self-deleted by its author	one-eyed fat man	Apr 2012	#131
You imply that force in defense is morally equivalent to force used in offensive crime.	PavePusher	Apr 2012	#117
ROFL. My agenda? I'm a pacifist!	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#120
A human threatening the life of another human is evil to me, yes.	AtheistCrusader	Apr 2012	#132
Must be nice living in your monochromatic world.	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#26
Sometimes it just doesn't take much effort to see things as they are.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#32
"you seem to have a serious problem with moral relativism clouding your judgement. "	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#40
You keep rooting for the bad guy, mkay?	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#51
I'll give you some credit for being honest about yourself.	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#64
No one is saying it wasn't a tragic situation. I am merely celebrating the outcome.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#92
A grain of humility will get you a grain of recognition in return.	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#110
You too.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#118
If that's your attitude, I'm very, very happy you're not a cop	Union Scribe	Apr 2012	#83
Yeah me too, though I was a damned good one.	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#109
Your choice of (news?) source is rather unreliable	davidthegnome	Apr 2012	#3
Unreliable by what standard?	ManiacJoe	Apr 2012	#9
This message was self-deleted by its author	davidthegnome	Apr 2012	#21
I get most of my news via reddit.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#14
Was is not just a week ago	safeinOhio	Apr 2012	#6
Yup.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#15
Thank you for the clarification.	safeinOhio	Apr 2012	#18
sociopaths are more comfy with their own kind. Bubbye.	WingDinger	Apr 2012	#8
So....are you telling us you are a sociopath and are going to join your own kind?	eqfan592	Apr 2012	#61
It's immaterial whether or not he fired a shot at her	tularetom	Apr 2012	#12
When the smoke settles...	Xela	Apr 2012	#23
Holy Fuck! Unbelievable!!!	Glassunion	Apr 2012	#24
Life is cheaper in Fla.	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#28
The pay is also lower.	Glassunion	Apr 2012	#29
On an island. But not one like Manhattan. No bridges.	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#31
Hopefully the island	Glassunion	Apr 2012	#36
Hey, good job! That's even better than most gated communities!	Air Marshal8	Apr 2012	#71
Way, way better!	Starboard Tack	Apr 2012	#78
Tragic waste of a young life	slackmaster	Apr 2012	#84

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