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Response to bongbong (Reply #135)

Wed Apr 4, 2012, 12:50 PM

145. "Per your post, if the militia no longer exists, then the 2nd Amendment has NO meaning anymore. "

 

Per your post, if the militia no longer exists, then the 2nd Amendment has NO meaning anymore. IOW, the 2nd Amendment can't be used as a defense for laissez-faire gun ownership.

I disagree vehemently. The militias, made up of the people, were to serve as a way to prevent forceful tyranny by the central federal government.

The militias have been usurped by that same central federal government. This does not invalidate the rest of the sentiment or rationale behind the second amendment.

It simply means there is no longer an organized mechanism (the militias) by which to enforce it. But the people still retain the military power to protect their interests.

This is exactly what the founders intended. There is a reason why every single iteration of the second amendment specifically enumerates firearm ownership as a right of the people, and not a right of the states or the militias or any other branch of government.

And in fact, a proposal to insert the words "for the common defence" next to the words "bear arms" was defeated in Congress. Which indicates that not only is this a right of the people, it is not restrained only for exercising as a collective!. It is an individual right.

Most of the gun-adorers in this thread have let my clearly- and repeatedly-posted point fly right over their heads in their rush to judgement: The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with laissez-faire gun ownership.

There, I said it again, maybe for the 10th time. Hopefully some of you will read it this time.


That's because need to define what you mean by "laissez-faire gun ownership".

Also it's because you have not stated what you think the second amendment is actually supposed to do.

If somebody can show me a post of mine that says that guns should be outlawed, feel free. You won't be able to find one, except in your fervid imaginations.

The problem is that we have heard these code words like "laissez-faire gun ownership" before. Which basically means "hands-off gun ownership". Usually this is code for "you can't have unregulated gun ownership", which, when pressed, usually means the speaker supports onerously-regulated gun ownership.

We don't have laissez-faire gun ownership in this country. There are a host of laws and regulations that govern firearm possession. If we had liassez-fair gun ownership I'd be able to buy them through the mail out of the Sears catalog like my father did, and I wouldn't have to get government permission before buying one.

So you'll have to provide some details as to what constitutes "laissez-faire gun ownership and how you would change it.





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