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shadowrider

(4,941 posts)
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 06:24 PM Apr 2012

Two arrested in brutal hammer beating in Seminole (Sanford, Fl.) (Time to ban guns and hammers) [View all]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by krispos42 (a host of the Gun Control & RKBA group).

(Note: Victim not expected to live)

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A tip to Crimeline has led to the arrests of two men in a brutal beating that occurred a week ago in the Midway community east of Sanford.

Julius Ricardo Bender, 18, and Yahaziel Isaac Israel, 19, face charges of attempted first-degree murder, burglary with assault or battery and armed burglary.

(SNIP)

A witness told deputies he heard someone screaming for help and saw two men pull the victim from his vehicle. He said he watched as one man held the victim and the other beat him in the head with a hammer.

After they dragged the victim into the woods, the men drove away in his sport utility vehicle, which was later found abandoned about a half-mile away on Garbo Jack Lane.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-two-arrested-seminole-beating-20120402_1_victim-arrest-affidavits-crimeline

Slightly off topic, but proving the point pro-gun people have been making. Lacking a gun, the bad guys will use anything.

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Ask Trayvon whether it made no difference if Zimmerman had a 9mm or a hammer. Ridiculous post. leveymg Apr 2012 #1
Plenty of Trayvon threads. This is unrelated. shadowrider Apr 2012 #2
Sure it is leveymg Apr 2012 #5
At the range Travon was shot rrneck Apr 2012 #36
Because hammers are just as lethal as hammers. nt spotbird Apr 2012 #3
I suppose we could discuss the varying degrees of lethality between different petronius Apr 2012 #6
Deadly force HockeyMom Apr 2012 #4
Comments at the article are blaming Obama. Webster Green Apr 2012 #7
Is this now the hammergeon? Common Sense Party Apr 2012 #8
The difference between hammers and guns, of course baldguy Apr 2012 #9
Exactly. Shadowrider doesn't seem to understand that. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #10
It's a basic tenet of gun nut dogma that guns aren't designed to kill things baldguy Apr 2012 #16
I love the fire extinguisher equation. LOL Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #21
You are saying all the correct words, but you don't understand them. ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #42
Gee. I must be doing something wrong ... spin Apr 2012 #12
And for pulling nails, breaking rock, forging metal, fitting parts, petronius Apr 2012 #13
Oh... Really... Care to place a small wager on that? PavePusher Apr 2012 #25
The fact that you're posting pics of specialized tools designed to kill sort of proves my point. baldguy Apr 2012 #27
"...while hammers are designed..." PavePusher Apr 2012 #28
At least you have moderated your silly position somewhat ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #30
Not unless those killed with guns are deader than those killed with hammers. Dead is dead. friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #44
Yet another false statement ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #29
The real difference... Clames Apr 2012 #37
Sole purpose of killing who? nt rrneck Apr 2012 #38
Why don't you carry a concealed hammer instead of banning them? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #11
In Florida I can carry a concealed hammer for self defense... spin Apr 2012 #15
Still trying to deflect attention from Zimmerman murdering Martin with a gun and SYG law. Hoyt Apr 2012 #14
In this case, I feel the victim could have used a legally concealed firearm ... spin Apr 2012 #17
The good news is that you are in a shrinking minority ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #31
Gun wielders have long tried to trample the unarmed. Hoyt Apr 2012 #34
Legal gun owners or thugs? ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #35
People who use guns to intimidate. Hoyt Apr 2012 #40
Really? Any stats to bear that out? ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #41
You *do* realize you're asking a True Believer for statistics? friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #43
Indeed I do ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #45
It's more honorable to die than use a firearm to defend yourself. ileus Apr 2012 #18
...but not necessarily in that order. (Although I guess "kill yourself" could petronius Apr 2012 #19
If you yell for help, no one will help you pneutin Apr 2012 #20
Go build something useful with a gun. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #22
Steaks are useful. PavePusher Apr 2012 #26
Fill your larder with food for the winter with a hammer ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #32
I've built a lot of great friendships around the firearm. ileus Apr 2012 #39
the rest of you can talk about hammers vs guns. there is a point in the article that nobody niyad Apr 2012 #23
I don't think that's referring to just one person - it sounds like the witness called petronius Apr 2012 #24
yes, you are correct. I should have read the whole article. niyad Apr 2012 #33
Locking. krispos42 Apr 2012 #46
Wrong locking message. It's "Stop!! petronius Apr 2012 #47
Shit. I probably should press the lock button, shouldn't I? krispos42 Apr 2012 #48
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