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jeff47

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71. Try reading that again.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 12:46 PM
Mar 2012

Especially the part where the gun usually isn't necessary to make the thief run.

There's a lot of incidents where the thief runs.
There's no data showing the gun was actually necessary to cause the thief to run. Because nobody's collecting it. It would be pretty damn hard to collect anyway - you can't exactly ask the thief if they would have stayed if the homeowner was unarmed and expect a truthful answer.

You asked two different questions. ellisonz Mar 2012 #1
If he is fleeing the home or in retreat, severe bodily is harm clearly is not imminent for you. geckosfeet Mar 2012 #2
The way I understand the Castle Doctrine in Ohio is if someone doc03 Mar 2012 #4
That may be so in Ohio. In MA there must be a disparity of force AND geckosfeet Mar 2012 #5
I am missing any reference to "disparity of force" pipoman Mar 2012 #16
Or if you both have guns there is no disparity of force so you can't shoot?????? kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #17
No - if someone pulls gun on you there is disparity, lethal force is defensable. geckosfeet Mar 2012 #38
You can't preemtively defend/attack period. There must be a threat of bodily harm. geckosfeet Mar 2012 #35
If that is true, it bears no resemblance to pipoman Mar 2012 #41
That may not be an accurate interpretation. ManiacJoe Mar 2012 #23
+1 Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #65
If they are in my home, this should be all a reasonable person needs to conclude intent to harm. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #53
Good luck with that attitude. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #66
Yeah that's why I just didn't even bother... ellisonz Mar 2012 #90
What if it is your most valuable possession? WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #108
I don't care if it's the crown jewels. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #109
"Nice to know your shit is worth killing and dying for" WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #110
Two wrongs don't make a right Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #111
So what stand are you taking? WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #112
No you don't have it right Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #113
I just re-read my post WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #114
I'm not sure where we disagree. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #115
define civilized gejohnston Apr 2012 #116
I'm not arguing with you there. Not my point Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #117
I'm not claiming that El Paso gejohnston Apr 2012 #118
I think you know what I meant about EP Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #119
We disagree on the equivalency WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #120
I take issue with you putting words in my mouth Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #121
So these are just ideas you think would be "Nice to Haves"? WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #122
Nice talking to you. Enjoy your stay with us. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #123
My first troll inference WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #124
Can't imagine why you would think that. LOL Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #125
Hand gun? Absolutely should not be allowed. bowens43 Mar 2012 #3
Fuck that! My Shitzu barks, someone comes in my front door, my 1911 barks. OffWithTheirHeads Mar 2012 #6
In that event, the only question I'll be asking is discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #28
Good luck if the perp has a gun and decides to shoot your dog too. geckosfeet Mar 2012 #7
Good luck if the perp is six cops in full riot gear who didn't bother knocking. saras Mar 2012 #26
If they are performing their duty and attempting to arrest you or someone in the house geckosfeet Mar 2012 #36
Police state? Remmah2 Mar 2012 #45
Would you agree with a shotgun? Or a pistol caliber carbine? oneshooter Mar 2012 #8
Makes it a little tough to call 911 with both hands occupied. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #83
Yes, ignore all those people who've protected themselves with handguns- they're bullshit. X_Digger Mar 2012 #9
Should we also ignore all those people who've accidentally killed family members? jeff47 Mar 2012 #10
what statistic is that? gejohnston Mar 2012 #11
How 'bout 1993? jeff47 Mar 2012 #29
actually it is gejohnston Mar 2012 #30
The reason I linked to wikipedia is so the controversy was covered. As for actual numbers jeff47 Mar 2012 #50
one major flaw gejohnston Mar 2012 #55
That's probably the biggest flaw with the '86 study. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #58
Except that's not what people are proposing jeff47 Mar 2012 #63
Reality doesn't change just because you have "a hard time believing it." eqfan592 Mar 2012 #68
Try reading that again. jeff47 Mar 2012 #71
Ummm, what? eqfan592 Mar 2012 #78
research is a must gejohnston Mar 2012 #81
Kellermann? Really dude? eqfan592 Mar 2012 #31
You're welcome to post your own stats proving he's wrong jeff47 Mar 2012 #48
Are you totally incapable of verifying the veracity of the studies you post? eqfan592 Mar 2012 #54
Are you totally incapable of posting a study showing the results you want? jeff47 Mar 2012 #73
Not only are the errors cited enough to change the results... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #106
Please share your statistics with the class DonP Mar 2012 #14
Stats Thesouthwillrise Mar 2012 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Thesouthwillrise Mar 2012 #24
The armed citizen; feb 2011 Thesouthwillrise Mar 2012 #25
How about a link? geckosfeet Mar 2012 #37
You'll be waiting forever - that troll is gone. ellisonz Mar 2012 #91
Don't want you to wait forever... sarisataka Mar 2012 #92
explains the name gejohnston Mar 2012 #99
I hate Neo-Confederates! ellisonz Mar 2012 #102
More than Illinois nazis? sarisataka Mar 2012 #103
No. But they're a close second. ellisonz Mar 2012 #104
You have your priorities straight sarisataka Mar 2012 #107
Accidental shootings are at historic lows. X_Digger Mar 2012 #15
Ok, then you're roughly double as likely to accidentally kill someone than shoot an intruder jeff47 Mar 2012 #49
You do understand your ignoring all defense firearm uses... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #59
I'm also ignoring all accidental firearm uses that aren't fatal. jeff47 Mar 2012 #64
But it's NOT equivalent because you are ignoring DGU's where no shots were even fired. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #79
Not quite.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #74
You also have to look at it from the accidental side. jeff47 Mar 2012 #76
Accidental shootings (non-fatal) are *also* at historic lows. X_Digger Mar 2012 #82
From a dead sleep, I know and recognize my dogs' barks..... S_B_Jackson Mar 2012 #40
I have two German Sherpherd Dogs rl6214 Mar 2012 #12
A female German Shepherd? jeepnstein Mar 2012 #44
My young female is EXTREMELY protective of me rl6214 Mar 2012 #93
Oh, for fucks sake. rrneck Mar 2012 #33
Then I would hazard a guess that they are plain out of luck. oneshooter Mar 2012 #84
Ain't it the truth. rrneck Mar 2012 #88
My wieners tell me when it's time to get my HANDGUN. ileus Mar 2012 #39
What if your landlord doesn't allow dogs? hack89 Mar 2012 #46
My early alarm system is "TWO" dogs. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #47
A big dog is not always a good deterrent ... spin Mar 2012 #62
All a burglar has to do is bring doggy treats to defeat your dog defense. n/t pneutin Mar 2012 #87
My 1911 doesn't suffer Separation Anxiety... BiggJawn Mar 2012 #94
Your question is a tad vague jeff47 Mar 2012 #13
Well... pipoman Mar 2012 #19
911 dirty little secret Thesouthwillrise Mar 2012 #21
That's why self defense training as practiced today often simply trains people to kill. Hoyt Mar 2012 #34
More of the tripe you like to spew rl6214 Mar 2012 #43
Then I want my money back. BiggJawn Mar 2012 #95
They try not to make it obvious. Hoyt Mar 2012 #96
Really, Hoyt. BiggJawn Mar 2012 #97
He's not worried because I like folk music and the name Woody. Hoyt Mar 2012 #98
are you working to get gejohnston Mar 2012 #100
The CDC and FBI aren't credible? (nt) jeff47 Mar 2012 #52
Oh, they are credible. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #60
Post'em if ya got'em.. pipoman Mar 2012 #89
Interesting gejohnston Mar 2012 #22
CDC and FBI stats jeff47 Mar 2012 #51
How many of those accidental deaths were hunting accidents? hack89 Mar 2012 #56
If we accounted for those, we should also add in accidental-but-not-fatal shootings. jeff47 Mar 2012 #67
But you are ok with letting individuals decide if the risk is worth it, right? nt hack89 Mar 2012 #72
I'm in the forced training camp jeff47 Mar 2012 #75
Teaching gun safety in school is the best route. hack89 Mar 2012 #77
I'm not sure that would be helpful jeff47 Mar 2012 #85
My kids are always at other people's houses hack89 Mar 2012 #86
that is nothing to do with duty to retreat gejohnston Mar 2012 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author jeff47 Mar 2012 #69
As stated above... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #61
And as I stated above... jeff47 Mar 2012 #70
By restricting yourself to ONLY counting shootings... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #80
Depends. How many and what type of guns one feels they need to protect their home. Hoyt Mar 2012 #20
Let me answer your questions gejohnston Mar 2012 #32
Depends.... S_B_Jackson Mar 2012 #42
How many guns? Why? Do you have more than 2 arms? AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #101
If someone breaks in guitar man Mar 2012 #27
House design is a question in retreating, too. sylvi Mar 2012 #105
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