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You asked two different questions. ellisonz Mar 2012 #1
If he is fleeing the home or in retreat, severe bodily is harm clearly is not imminent for you. geckosfeet Mar 2012 #2
The way I understand the Castle Doctrine in Ohio is if someone doc03 Mar 2012 #4
That may be so in Ohio. In MA there must be a disparity of force AND geckosfeet Mar 2012 #5
I am missing any reference to "disparity of force" pipoman Mar 2012 #16
Or if you both have guns there is no disparity of force so you can't shoot?????? kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #17
No - if someone pulls gun on you there is disparity, lethal force is defensable. geckosfeet Mar 2012 #38
You can't preemtively defend/attack period. There must be a threat of bodily harm. geckosfeet Mar 2012 #35
If that is true, it bears no resemblance to pipoman Mar 2012 #41
That may not be an accurate interpretation. ManiacJoe Mar 2012 #23
+1 Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #65
If they are in my home, this should be all a reasonable person needs to conclude intent to harm. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #53
Good luck with that attitude. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #66
Yeah that's why I just didn't even bother... ellisonz Mar 2012 #90
What if it is your most valuable possession? WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #108
I don't care if it's the crown jewels. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #109
"Nice to know your shit is worth killing and dying for" WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #110
Two wrongs don't make a right Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #111
So what stand are you taking? WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #112
No you don't have it right Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #113
I just re-read my post WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #114
I'm not sure where we disagree. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #115
define civilized gejohnston Apr 2012 #116
I'm not arguing with you there. Not my point Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #117
I'm not claiming that El Paso gejohnston Apr 2012 #118
I think you know what I meant about EP Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #119
We disagree on the equivalency WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #120
I take issue with you putting words in my mouth Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #121
So these are just ideas you think would be "Nice to Haves"? WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #122
Nice talking to you. Enjoy your stay with us. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #123
My first troll inference WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #124
Can't imagine why you would think that. LOL Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #125
Hand gun? Absolutely should not be allowed. bowens43 Mar 2012 #3
Fuck that! My Shitzu barks, someone comes in my front door, my 1911 barks. OffWithTheirHeads Mar 2012 #6
In that event, the only question I'll be asking is discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #28
Good luck if the perp has a gun and decides to shoot your dog too. geckosfeet Mar 2012 #7
Good luck if the perp is six cops in full riot gear who didn't bother knocking. saras Mar 2012 #26
If they are performing their duty and attempting to arrest you or someone in the house geckosfeet Mar 2012 #36
Police state? Remmah2 Mar 2012 #45
Would you agree with a shotgun? Or a pistol caliber carbine? oneshooter Mar 2012 #8
Makes it a little tough to call 911 with both hands occupied. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #83
Yes, ignore all those people who've protected themselves with handguns- they're bullshit. X_Digger Mar 2012 #9
Should we also ignore all those people who've accidentally killed family members? jeff47 Mar 2012 #10
what statistic is that? gejohnston Mar 2012 #11
How 'bout 1993? jeff47 Mar 2012 #29
actually it is gejohnston Mar 2012 #30
The reason I linked to wikipedia is so the controversy was covered. As for actual numbers jeff47 Mar 2012 #50
one major flaw gejohnston Mar 2012 #55
That's probably the biggest flaw with the '86 study. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #58
Except that's not what people are proposing jeff47 Mar 2012 #63
Reality doesn't change just because you have "a hard time believing it." eqfan592 Mar 2012 #68
Try reading that again. jeff47 Mar 2012 #71
Ummm, what? eqfan592 Mar 2012 #78
research is a must gejohnston Mar 2012 #81
Kellermann? Really dude? eqfan592 Mar 2012 #31
You're welcome to post your own stats proving he's wrong jeff47 Mar 2012 #48
Are you totally incapable of verifying the veracity of the studies you post? eqfan592 Mar 2012 #54
Are you totally incapable of posting a study showing the results you want? jeff47 Mar 2012 #73
Not only are the errors cited enough to change the results... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #106
Please share your statistics with the class DonP Mar 2012 #14
Stats Thesouthwillrise Mar 2012 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Thesouthwillrise Mar 2012 #24
The armed citizen; feb 2011 Thesouthwillrise Mar 2012 #25
How about a link? geckosfeet Mar 2012 #37
You'll be waiting forever - that troll is gone. ellisonz Mar 2012 #91
Don't want you to wait forever... sarisataka Mar 2012 #92
explains the name gejohnston Mar 2012 #99
I hate Neo-Confederates! ellisonz Mar 2012 #102
More than Illinois nazis? sarisataka Mar 2012 #103
No. But they're a close second. ellisonz Mar 2012 #104
You have your priorities straight sarisataka Mar 2012 #107
Accidental shootings are at historic lows. X_Digger Mar 2012 #15
Ok, then you're roughly double as likely to accidentally kill someone than shoot an intruder jeff47 Mar 2012 #49
You do understand your ignoring all defense firearm uses... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #59
I'm also ignoring all accidental firearm uses that aren't fatal. jeff47 Mar 2012 #64
But it's NOT equivalent because you are ignoring DGU's where no shots were even fired. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #79
Not quite.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #74
You also have to look at it from the accidental side. jeff47 Mar 2012 #76
Accidental shootings (non-fatal) are *also* at historic lows. X_Digger Mar 2012 #82
From a dead sleep, I know and recognize my dogs' barks..... S_B_Jackson Mar 2012 #40
I have two German Sherpherd Dogs rl6214 Mar 2012 #12
A female German Shepherd? jeepnstein Mar 2012 #44
My young female is EXTREMELY protective of me rl6214 Mar 2012 #93
Oh, for fucks sake. rrneck Mar 2012 #33
Then I would hazard a guess that they are plain out of luck. oneshooter Mar 2012 #84
Ain't it the truth. rrneck Mar 2012 #88
My wieners tell me when it's time to get my HANDGUN. ileus Mar 2012 #39
What if your landlord doesn't allow dogs? hack89 Mar 2012 #46
My early alarm system is "TWO" dogs. Remmah2 Mar 2012 #47
A big dog is not always a good deterrent ... spin Mar 2012 #62
All a burglar has to do is bring doggy treats to defeat your dog defense. n/t pneutin Mar 2012 #87
My 1911 doesn't suffer Separation Anxiety... BiggJawn Mar 2012 #94
Your question is a tad vague jeff47 Mar 2012 #13
Well... pipoman Mar 2012 #19
911 dirty little secret Thesouthwillrise Mar 2012 #21
That's why self defense training as practiced today often simply trains people to kill. Hoyt Mar 2012 #34
More of the tripe you like to spew rl6214 Mar 2012 #43
Then I want my money back. BiggJawn Mar 2012 #95
They try not to make it obvious. Hoyt Mar 2012 #96
Really, Hoyt. BiggJawn Mar 2012 #97
He's not worried because I like folk music and the name Woody. Hoyt Mar 2012 #98
are you working to get gejohnston Mar 2012 #100
The CDC and FBI aren't credible? (nt) jeff47 Mar 2012 #52
Oh, they are credible. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #60
Post'em if ya got'em.. pipoman Mar 2012 #89
Interesting gejohnston Mar 2012 #22
CDC and FBI stats jeff47 Mar 2012 #51
How many of those accidental deaths were hunting accidents? hack89 Mar 2012 #56
If we accounted for those, we should also add in accidental-but-not-fatal shootings. jeff47 Mar 2012 #67
But you are ok with letting individuals decide if the risk is worth it, right? nt hack89 Mar 2012 #72
I'm in the forced training camp jeff47 Mar 2012 #75
Teaching gun safety in school is the best route. hack89 Mar 2012 #77
I'm not sure that would be helpful jeff47 Mar 2012 #85
My kids are always at other people's houses hack89 Mar 2012 #86
that is nothing to do with duty to retreat gejohnston Mar 2012 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author jeff47 Mar 2012 #69
As stated above... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #61
And as I stated above... jeff47 Mar 2012 #70
By restricting yourself to ONLY counting shootings... eqfan592 Mar 2012 #80
Depends. How many and what type of guns one feels they need to protect their home. Hoyt Mar 2012 #20
Let me answer your questions gejohnston Mar 2012 #32
Depends.... S_B_Jackson Mar 2012 #42
How many guns? Why? Do you have more than 2 arms? AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #101
If someone breaks in guitar man Mar 2012 #27
House design is a question in retreating, too. sylvi Mar 2012 #105
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