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In reply to the discussion: Does any pro gun control person think you should not be able to use a gun in your home? [View all]ellisonz
(27,706 posts)1. You asked two different questions.
And I don't think you understand how duty to retreat works...
1. Of course you should be allowed to defend your person and your family in your home.
2. This does not mean that you may do so without reasonable belief that severe bodily harm or death was the reasonable consequence for not doing so. This should be a matter for Courts to determine without a presumption that force was justified.
3. Now I get to ask a question, do you think it is okay to shoot an intruder fleeing out of the house without a reasonable belief of that severe bodily harm or death was imminent?
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Does any pro gun control person think you should not be able to use a gun in your home? [View all]
Logical
Mar 2012
OP
If he is fleeing the home or in retreat, severe bodily is harm clearly is not imminent for you.
geckosfeet
Mar 2012
#2
Or if you both have guns there is no disparity of force so you can't shoot??????
kestrel91316
Mar 2012
#17
No - if someone pulls gun on you there is disparity, lethal force is defensable.
geckosfeet
Mar 2012
#38
You can't preemtively defend/attack period. There must be a threat of bodily harm.
geckosfeet
Mar 2012
#35
If they are in my home, this should be all a reasonable person needs to conclude intent to harm.
Atypical Liberal
Mar 2012
#53
Fuck that! My Shitzu barks, someone comes in my front door, my 1911 barks.
OffWithTheirHeads
Mar 2012
#6
If they are performing their duty and attempting to arrest you or someone in the house
geckosfeet
Mar 2012
#36
Yes, ignore all those people who've protected themselves with handguns- they're bullshit.
X_Digger
Mar 2012
#9
Should we also ignore all those people who've accidentally killed family members?
jeff47
Mar 2012
#10
The reason I linked to wikipedia is so the controversy was covered. As for actual numbers
jeff47
Mar 2012
#50
Ok, then you're roughly double as likely to accidentally kill someone than shoot an intruder
jeff47
Mar 2012
#49
But it's NOT equivalent because you are ignoring DGU's where no shots were even fired.
eqfan592
Mar 2012
#79
That's why self defense training as practiced today often simply trains people to kill.
Hoyt
Mar 2012
#34
If we accounted for those, we should also add in accidental-but-not-fatal shootings.
jeff47
Mar 2012
#67
But you are ok with letting individuals decide if the risk is worth it, right? nt
hack89
Mar 2012
#72