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In the discussion thread: Silencing the Guns [View all]

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 02:15 PM

DanTex (3,773 posts)

97. Try a little harder ge...

If you really haven't seen links to WND or TownHall on this forum, you haven't been paying attention. Here, I'll save you some googling:
FoxNews (way too easy)
WashingtonTimes (also pretty easy)
WorldNetDaily (also pretty easy)
theblaze (glenn beck, a bit harder)
TownHall (definitely not as common as WND)
FreeRepublic (yes THE FR)!
Mike Vanderbeough from Sipsey Street
Right-wing law professor Eugene Volokh
Etc.

What do I win?

As far as "What pro gun lies for example?", well I'm glad you asked. As I wrote above...

For example, consider the recent work of fiction claiming to debunk the "myths" of gun control, written by professional climate change denier Larry Bell, and posted here not once but twice. The difference is that the pro-gun types like Larry Bell go way beyond just technical omissions that don't change to the main argument. The pro-gun lies, include pretending that the Brady Campaign has simply invented the fact that gun ownership has dropped, despite the fact that we both know this comes from GSS, universally considered the best source for gun ownership statistics by social scientists (including your friend). And then there's the claim that NCVS only counts DGUs "where a citizen kills a criminal, not when one is only wounded". This is not an omission it is an overt lie, and it makes a huge difference to the argument, because if that were true, it would be a valid reason to discount NCVS DGU statistics.

Are you going to ignore this again? Should I paste it again? OK, you win, one more time.

Did you catch it that time, or did it flash by too quickly?

Like I said, the gun control "lies" you refer to are things like "a clip is not a magazine" or quibbling about the definition of a "loophole", things that have nothing to do with the substance of the argument. When it comes to the important facts: that the US has far more homicide and gun violence than any other developed country, that the number of people who die from gunshots in a single year comfortably exceeds the total number of Americans who died in 9-11, Iraq, and Afghanistan combined over the last decade, etc. gun control advocates are spot on.

There's a reason that scientists and credible and progressive media voices are on one side of this debate, and Glenn Beck and WorldNetDaily are on the other.

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135 replies	Author	Time	Post
Silencing the Guns [View all]	ellisonz	Mar 2012	OP
Apparently you don't have to be truthful	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#1
You got the points I was going to make	rl6214	Mar 2012	#2
No ], not really	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#3
What about the facts concerning the Tucson shooting?	Loudly	Mar 2012	#5
And that has to do whatwith the out right lies printed in this article?	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#6
Quiet, you. People died, so it's ok to make stuff up.	Johnny Rico	Mar 2012	#9
Was Loughner able to discharge a lot of rounds in rapid succession without reloading?	baldguy	Mar 2012	#19
And that has to do what with the lies in this article?	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#21
What, you can't answer the questions honestly?	baldguy	Mar 2012	#22
I can reload a mag. in appox. 2-3 sec.	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#24
Your evasive answer proves that you're deliberately missing the point.	baldguy	Mar 2012	#29
and you obviously don't want to	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#30
No, your non-sequitur proves that you are deliberately being obtuse.	cleanhippie	Mar 2012	#50
And in your dystopia, the community uses that 2-3 seconds	Loudly	Mar 2012	#73
Let's see	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#75
Good grief.	Loudly	Mar 2012	#76
"I think I know how to protect myself" =/= "access to convenient murder"	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#79
Protecting yourself means	Loudly	Mar 2012	#82
You are the olny person saying this.	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#88
I may be the only person saying it this clearly.	Loudly	Mar 2012	#91
who does not seems not to be one of them	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#93
Do not call people names. n/t	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#116
I sure hope you didn't hurt yourself reaching for that conclusion.	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#104
he is not the people you have to worry about	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#81
You can outrun a machete.	Loudly	Mar 2012	#84
depends	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#87
At my age, no I can't	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#105
Here, let me set you straight	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#103
Learn the facts, they were still LEGAL to own.	rl6214	Mar 2012	#32
What you don't seem to realize....	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Mar 2012	#34
Because of the 31 round magazine, and its malfunction when	burf	Mar 2012	#96
The sunset of the AWB had absolutely nothing to do with any of that	rl6214	Mar 2012	#31
Yes, that's true. Now back to the article...	Johnny Rico	Mar 2012	#36
Here are some that are utterly false.	Oneka	Mar 2012	#35
We have a name for this:	Callisto32	Mar 2012	#52
A Couple Points	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#10
No, the point is	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#12
Emotion and talking points.	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#13
Talking points?	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#14
Yes.	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#15
the anger towards Clinton had died down by 96 because the AWB	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#20
plus the fact that the Repubs nominated Bob Dole.	TupperHappy	Mar 2012	#25
Where have all the sensible Republicans gone...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#27
easy answer	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#33
This year Mitt Romney will run against Obama and lose ...	spin	Mar 2012	#95
No.	Callisto32	Mar 2012	#53
"The Role of Emotion in Deciding the Fate of the Nation"	Dr_Scholl	Mar 2012	#4
So you think we should liberalize laws regarding silencers? I must say, that's quite refreshi...	Johnny Rico	Mar 2012	#7
Really?	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#11
What's wrong with people having silencers?	Johnny Rico	Mar 2012	#37
I'd imagine those parts of Europe generally have much stricter gun control. n/t	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#44
They certainly do...but in this particular respect (silencers) their laws are more rational.	Johnny Rico	Mar 2012	#63
So you can buy a silencer but not a gun?	Common Sense Party	Mar 2012	#65
It depends on the country.	Johnny Rico	Mar 2012	#67
You"imagine"? Why according to you, you know EVERYTHING	oneshooter	Mar 2012	#123
On to the ignore list you go...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#130
AWWWWW poor baby. You make claims you can't back up.	oneshooter	Mar 2012	#133
over our silencer regulations?	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#40
That doesn't compute at all. n/t	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#45
Check your firmwear.	Callisto32	Mar 2012	#54
I don't understand why you post this article	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#8
LOL total lack of reality..No mention of Fast and Furious.	virginia mountainman	Mar 2012	#16
Now that's Funny!	DonP	Mar 2012	#17
Silencing the Guns	Glassunion	Mar 2012	#18
It can get expensive...tell me about it.	Johnny Rico	Mar 2012	#39
Yea they can. I'm looking at $650 for one.	oneshooter	Mar 2012	#124
There was a firefight at the	burf	Mar 2012	#23
Just a few corrections	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Mar 2012	#26
LAWL	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#28
I'd be curious to see the sales figures for ARs from 2002-2011,	Johnny Rico	Mar 2012	#38
Production has ramped up as well	ProgressiveProfessor	Mar 2012	#41
Did I read that correctly?	sarisataka	Mar 2012	#42
That's likely not including the final most expensive month...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#43
Sorry, I rounded	sarisataka	Mar 2012	#46
That's the one assertion I disagree with...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#47
Then why...	sarisataka	Mar 2012	#48
It's the collusion with the Republicans...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#51
To continue being the devil's advocate...	sarisataka	Mar 2012	#71
I made my point concisely and clearly...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#72
OK, I'll let you off the hook...	sarisataka	Mar 2012	#77
The Dems for the most part are in the centrist position....	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#78
the evidence shows that	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#80
Kinda like a Mexican stand-off no...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#89
vive la difference!!!	sarisataka	Mar 2012	#98
I am not sure how...	sarisataka	Mar 2012	#94
Look around...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#99
So let me get this straight	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#108
Acutaly what I said was	sarisataka	Mar 2012	#118
that certainly was the case in Ohio	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#49
HAHA.	Callisto32	Mar 2012	#55
Not all barrels are threaded...	ileus	Mar 2012	#56
That explains why some screws are loose.	Remmah2	Mar 2012	#61
Good article. And I see that the right-wing talking points have arrived right on cue!	DanTex	Mar 2012	#57
if the article was	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#58
As far as I can tell, the "inaccuracy" amounts to failing to mention the loophole in...	DanTex	Mar 2012	#68
If you look up the word loophole,	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#74
Try a little harder ge...	DanTex	Mar 2012	#97
Here is one	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#102
I'll just keep posting it until you respond to it...	DanTex	Mar 2012	#106
you were asking me a question?	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#107
So you concede that the Larry Bell article in Forbes was full of shit?	DanTex	Mar 2012	#115
since I did not read the article	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#117
Disappointing.	DanTex	Mar 2012	#119
I did not read the fucking article	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#125
Hey, you asked me about examples of pro-gun lies.	DanTex	Mar 2012	#131
so can you be honest about anti gun lies?	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#135
You are still confused on the issue of "loophole".	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#83
As one of the OP's of the Larry Bell article from Forbes...	DanTex	Mar 2012	#100
It's obvious to everyone else but you...	pneutin	Mar 2012	#101
LOL! You're new, so I'll cut you some slack...	DanTex	Mar 2012	#111
Really?	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#113
Yes, really.	DanTex	Mar 2012	#120
LOL Reading comprehension is not your strong suit	pneutin	Mar 2012	#122
There have been even more surveys...	sarisataka	Mar 2012	#126
Awwww... it's "reading comprehension" snark!	DanTex	Mar 2012	#128
On gun ownership rates....	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#114
It comes from the General Social Survey.	DanTex	Mar 2012	#121
My problem with NORC and the University of Chicago	Dr_Scholl	Mar 2012	#127
LOL, now NORC has a strong anti-gun bias...	DanTex	Mar 2012	#129
Then maybe you can explain the difference.	Dr_Scholl	Mar 2012	#134
Nice fallacies.	Glassunion	Mar 2012	#90
glad I have more than 100 posts...	ileus	Mar 2012	#60
You think the article is a "good" and "sane". Do you think it's accurate?	Johnny Rico	Mar 2012	#64
Don't expect an answer	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#66
Number od posts does not seem to correlate closely with factual accuracy....	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#85
And we get anti gunner	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#112
My, what a short memory gun grabbers have.	beevul	Mar 2012	#59
Well said.	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#62
So many words for so little content.	Atypical Liberal	Mar 2012	#69
Wow	AH1Apache	Mar 2012	#70
Don't forget to add that AR and AK pattern rifles....	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#86
That's my only goal for my new AR build.	ileus	Mar 2012	#92
You evil barrel shroud owner.	Remmah2	Mar 2012	#110
AR platform has been the traditional CMP rifle for years. nt	Remmah2	Mar 2012	#109
Anti-gun types are fond of making spree killers reload, aren't they?	friendly_iconoclast	Mar 2012	#132

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