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In the discussion thread: Kleck actually making some sense on lenient gun laws [View all]

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:21 PM

46. Amazing. I think the same about you.

You call a gun, a fucking gun, a defensive tool. What bullshit! A gun, like any other object may be used as a defensive tool, but to market it as such and accept it as such is dishonest. A handgun is as much a defensive tool as a passenger aircraft is a weapon of war. It takes a perverted mind to describe either as such. That mind is what is defective. You can fool yourself and your pistol packing buddies that carrying your handgun around is a defensive act, but you're not fooling the rest of us.
It truly amazes me that anyone could admit to such behavior.

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118 replies	Author	Time	Post
Kleck actually making some sense on lenient gun laws [View all]	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	OP
Time to throw Gary Kleck under the bus...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#1
Good shot.	Hoyt	Mar 2012	#4
Ummm, why?	eqfan592	Mar 2012	#9
Had anyone here claimed this, then you'd have a great comeback.	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#2
You're joking right	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#12
When have I ever used that as a justification?!? Stop trying to put your fingers in my mouth, eh?	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#16
Ah, yes, the unlikely possibility that you may have to defend yourself.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#21
Defending myself from violent attack.	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#22
Thanks for proving my point once again	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#27
Do you deny that those people saved themselves with guns?	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#29
Not at all	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#33
So it was a safety device to them, correct? n/t	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#35
It was a killing tool for society	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#42
Can't admit that the device they used to save themselves was a safety device?	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#45
Amazing. I think the same about you.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#46
Your moral whip is past it's sell-by date.	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#47
Is that all you've got?	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#49
You really want to re-hash the same conversation we've had ten times?	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#50
I have never said that about handguns and you know it.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#53
If you were being pragmatic..	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#54
See you can't help but divert to personal attacks.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#58
"pointing out stupidity" -- is just what I did.	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#59
"They saved themselves by taking other lives."	Simo 1939_1940	Mar 2012	#97
Kleck has made a lot of sense for a very long time. This isn't news. NT	Simo 1939_1940	Mar 2012	#3
Well it's news to me.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#13
And of course you can't intelligently explain why he's a fool......	Simo 1939_1940	Mar 2012	#36
he has said this several times	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#5
I don't care about gun laws affecting crime rates.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#11
he was talking about violent crime	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#24
I've read enough of it thanks.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#25
about property, I agree to a point	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#32
Bit of a stretch	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#43
car jacking is not about theft	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#52
Hey, I'm a big fan of the Joe Pickett series by CJ Box	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#55
I did not say they were unarmed	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#57
I think you're way off the mark there.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#60
bullshit	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#61
And, once again, how are you going to remove guns from the criminals. Full list please!	Logical	Mar 2012	#65
I'm not the one providing them	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#66
I love your idea. It is just not practical......	Logical	Mar 2012	#67
I'm not talking about felons carrying guns	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#69
The only ones who will honor your rules are the non-criminals. n-t	Logical	Mar 2012	#73
us guys?	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#68
That's good.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#70
really?	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#72
How many sides of a point would you like to argue in the same thread?	Oneka	Mar 2012	#74
Apparently, you have a comprehension problem?	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#78
My comprehension skillls work just fine	Oneka	Mar 2012	#94
It's not the first incident of cognitive dissonance with this particular poster.	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#100
So Kleck is basically stating...	Clames	Mar 2012	#6
so you are basically stating	iverglas	Mar 2012	#101
Agreed.	mvccd1000	Mar 2012	#7
This post should be placed at the top of the main Gun Group page, in a nice frame or something. n/t	NewMoonTherian	Mar 2012	#8
So your gun is not concealed, I assume.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#10
This old fart has his snub nosed .38 in his pants pocket ...	spin	Mar 2012	#14
Damned if you do, damned if you don't	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#15
The smartest approach is to stay out of strange neighborhoods late at night ...	spin	Mar 2012	#17
I couldn't agree more.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#18
Hope you don't blow your nuts off one day!	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#102
"the honesty of open carry"	rl6214	Mar 2012	#75
Correct me if I am wrong	sarisataka	Mar 2012	#19
You are correct	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#20
Lies, damned lies and...	sarisataka	Mar 2012	#23
I don't wonder how many Londoners regretted UK gun laws	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#26
I will differ	sarisataka	Mar 2012	#30
I don't buy the DGU numbers at all	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#31
total nonsense	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#34
Stopping imaginary aggression with aggression is not defensive	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#41
totally irrational	rl6214	Mar 2012	#76
Irrational? Moi? That's funny.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#80
Real vs. imaginary aggression.	Straw Man	Mar 2012	#98
Still spouting the party line I see	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#108
Still spouting something else, I see.	Straw Man	Mar 2012	#116
It's his own creation, thank god, stupid as it is. n/t	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#77
Offense vs defense	sarisataka	Mar 2012	#38
Where I come from, brandishing is a criminal offense, as it should be.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#48
Perhaps I missunderstood	sarisataka	Mar 2012	#56
"offensive" is a matter of intent and not an absolute.	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#62
to clarify	sarisataka	Mar 2012	#64
Of course. You are correct.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#71
Even Joyce funded	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#28
so-called "criminologist"?	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#37
This message was self-deleted by its author	friendly_iconoclast	Mar 2012	#39
It's obvious Kleck's not much of a criminologist- after all, he says things ST doesn't like.	friendly_iconoclast	Mar 2012	#40
You call 2.5 million DGU's science?	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#44
the NRA never paid him	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#51
So your own sociologist...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#103
Actually	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#104
Maybe you should take a hint...	ellisonz	Mar 2012	#105
I do	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#106
IIRC 2.5M was only the upper limit of his estimate.	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#63
Honestly, if he'd said 500,000 I'd think the same. Kleck's survey is a joke.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#79
then all phone surveys are bullshit	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#81
Many phone surveys are bullshit.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#82
or more likely	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#83
I reject bad science.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#84
In other words	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#85
Here's highly respected "criminologist" Marvin Wolfgang (RIP)	Simo 1939_1940	Mar 2012	#91
"I seriously doubt if there are 10,000 legitimate DGU's a year."	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#95
I know! And I don't buy any of them.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#96
"That's like doing a survey in an insane asylum and asking if anyone's seen Jesus of late."	Simo 1939_1940	Mar 2012	#90
IIRC again, most of the pro-restrictionists base their claims upon studies...	PavePusher	Mar 2012	#93
And recall that the survey was taken when crime was at it's peak, so ST	Simo 1939_1940	Mar 2012	#86
Let the record show that this member is willing to libel a liberal Democrat.	Simo 1939_1940	Mar 2012	#87
I actually corrected that	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#88
".....the poll itself is so flawed."	Simo 1939_1940	Mar 2012	#89
Kindly point to exactly where you retracted. NT	Simo 1939_1940	Mar 2012	#92
So by virtue of the fact that you're not disclosing where you "corrected" your libelous	Simo 1939_1940	Mar 2012	#99
They made efforts, but it made no difference	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#107
You continue to display your ignorance re. defensive gun use.	Simo 1939_1940	Mar 2012	#109
You just don't get it do you?	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#110
So which is it? Is it a DGU only when someone's shot?	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#111
Oh right!	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#112
You let us know when your "DGU" research is done, mkay? n/t	X_Digger	Mar 2012	#113
OK	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#115
What is Defensive Gun Use?	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#114
here are a couple obvious examples of each	gejohnston	Mar 2012	#117
LOL All are good. All are inside the home.	Starboard Tack	Mar 2012	#118

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