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In reply to the discussion: Kleck actually making some sense on lenient gun laws [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)34. total nonsense
showing a gun to deter an attacker is not brandishing under the law. It is defensive under the law and the real world.
Defensive is any action to stop aggression. Sorry, I don't buy into "anti" newspeak.
de·fense (d-fns)
n.
1. The act of defending against attack, danger, or injury.
2. A means or method of defending or protecting.
3. Sports The act or an instance of defending a championship against a challenger: will box in his third defense of his title.
4. An argument in support or justification of something. See Synonyms at apology.
5. Law
a. The action of the defendant in opposition to complaints against him or her.
b. The defendant and his or her legal counsel.
6. The science or art of defending oneself; self-defense.
7. often (dfns) Sports
a. Means or tactics used in trying to stop the opposition from scoring.
b. The team or those players on the team attempting to stop the opposition from scoring.
8. The military, governmental, and industrial complex, especially as it authorizes and manages weaponry production.
tr.v. de·fensed, de·fens·ing, de·fens·es Sports
1. To attempt to stop (the opposition) from scoring.
2. To play defense against (an opponent); guard.
n.
1. The act of defending against attack, danger, or injury.
2. A means or method of defending or protecting.
3. Sports The act or an instance of defending a championship against a challenger: will box in his third defense of his title.
4. An argument in support or justification of something. See Synonyms at apology.
5. Law
a. The action of the defendant in opposition to complaints against him or her.
b. The defendant and his or her legal counsel.
6. The science or art of defending oneself; self-defense.
7. often (dfns) Sports
a. Means or tactics used in trying to stop the opposition from scoring.
b. The team or those players on the team attempting to stop the opposition from scoring.
8. The military, governmental, and industrial complex, especially as it authorizes and manages weaponry production.
tr.v. de·fensed, de·fens·ing, de·fens·es Sports
1. To attempt to stop (the opposition) from scoring.
2. To play defense against (an opponent); guard.
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When have I ever used that as a justification?!? Stop trying to put your fingers in my mouth, eh?
X_Digger
Mar 2012
#16
And, once again, how are you going to remove guns from the criminals. Full list please!
Logical
Mar 2012
#65
It's not the first incident of cognitive dissonance with this particular poster.
X_Digger
Mar 2012
#100
This post should be placed at the top of the main Gun Group page, in a nice frame or something. n/t
NewMoonTherian
Mar 2012
#8
It's obvious Kleck's not much of a criminologist- after all, he says things ST doesn't like.
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2012
#40
Honestly, if he'd said 500,000 I'd think the same. Kleck's survey is a joke.
Starboard Tack
Mar 2012
#79
"That's like doing a survey in an insane asylum and asking if anyone's seen Jesus of late."
Simo 1939_1940
Mar 2012
#90
IIRC again, most of the pro-restrictionists base their claims upon studies...
PavePusher
Mar 2012
#93
Let the record show that this member is willing to libel a liberal Democrat.
Simo 1939_1940
Mar 2012
#87
So by virtue of the fact that you're not disclosing where you "corrected" your libelous
Simo 1939_1940
Mar 2012
#99