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Response to Atypical Liberal (Reply #92)

Sun Mar 11, 2012, 01:31 AM

93. Do you agree?

VII.--Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity and happiness of the people; and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; Therefore the people alone have an incontestible, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity and happiness require it.

I said - "For that provision to be protecting a personal right, an individual acting "alone" would have an unalienable right to "totally change" the government."

Atypical Liberal replied - "What actions do the people alone undertake to have an incontestible, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity and happiness require it, that individuals cannot also undertake?"
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I've already answered that question, but you won't accept the answer. To save us going round and round, do you agree with my statement? "For that provision to be protecting a personal right, an individual acting "alone" would have an unalienable right to "totally change" the government."

Where you're going wrong:
1. You're asking what "actions" the people alone "undertake" rather that what "right" the people alone "have."
2. You're asking what actions "individuals" cannot undertake rather that what right doesn't "an individual acting ALONE" have.

Basically, you're trying to distort what is clearly a collective right into an individual right because "the people" consists of individuals. A judge and jury consists of individuals, but they're there on behalf of the people as a whole. An individual acting ALONE cannot hold a trial or declare himself to be the judge or a juror.

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