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benEzra

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67. Hollowpoints aren't banned in NJ (or to my knowledge, anywhere else).
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 05:22 PM
Sep 2016

NJ bans many of the most popular civilian guns in the nation and largely restricts carry licenses to the rich and politically connected or their staff, but even NJ doesn't ban hollowpoint or softpoint ammunition. Some jurisdictions may give you extra hassle if you stop for lunch or to go to the bathroom on the way to/from a shooting range if you have hollowpoint ammunition in the trunk of your car, and accidentally leaving some in the trunk after your trip could land you in prison, but it's completely legal to purchase, shoot at a range, hunt with, or load your home-defense gun with.

NJ law is fixated on the term "sportsmen" like it's 1950, but if you can get past that, here's the law:

http://www.njsp.org/firearms/transport-hollowpoint.shtml

Provided certain conditions are met, a sportsman may transport and use hollow point ammunition. There are no restrictions preventing a sportsman from keeping such ammunition at his home.

N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that:

(2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)].

Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ."
N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1).

Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-6f. can be broken down as follows:

A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police;
1. A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State;
2. A person going directly to a target range, and;
3. A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions."

As with other ammunition and firearms, a sportsman would have to comply with the provisions of N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f and g when transporting hollow nose ammunition to a target range. The ammunition should be stored in a closed and fastened container or locked in the trunk of the motor vehicle in which it is being transported. The course of travel should be as direct as possible when going to and leaving from the target range with "only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances." N.J.S.A 2C:39-6g.

If the sportsman's club member plans to hunt with a rifle and use hollow nose ammunition in a state where this is permitted, he must comply with the provisions of U.S.C.A. 926A and N.J.S.A 2C:39-6(f) and (6)(g), which is consistent with the federal law, in transporting the firearm and ammunition. The firearm should be unloaded and neither the firearm nor the ammunition should be readily accessible from the passenger compartment. If the vehicle does not have a trunk, the firearm and the ammunition should be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or the console. 18 U.S.C.A. 926A.

In addition, the sportsman should have a valid hunting license in his possession from the state in which he plans to hunt and should be familiar with that state's gun laws. N.J.S.A 2C:39-6(f)(2) requires a person hunting in this State to have a valid hunting license in his possession while traveling to or from the hunting area. Hunting with hollow nose ammunition is permitted in New Jersey. In the case of a New Jersey resident traveling to another state to hunt, it logically would follow that the hunting license would be from the state where the hunter is going. Although the federal statute does not require possession of a hunting license, it does require that the person transporting the firearm be going to a state where possession of that object is lawful. A valid hunting license from that state effectively supplies the proof.

These conditions for use and transport of hollow nose ammunition are consistent with the legislative intent to restrict the use of such ammunition to a limited number of people. It is well established that in construing a statute exceptions are to be "strictly but reasonably construed, consistent with the manifest reason and purpose of the law." Service Armament Co. v. Hyland, 70 N.J. 550, 558-559 (1976). The State Supreme Court has "characterized the Gun Control Law as 'highly purposed and conscientiously designed toward preventing criminal and other unfit elements from acquiring firearms while enabling the fit elements of society to obtain them with minimal burdens.'" Id. at 559.


I have seen that and laugh Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #1
A jury removed a post of mine because I stated that Bill Clinton signed major gun legislation krispos42 Aug 2016 #2
Recounting the fact Bill Clinton signed a law they want reenacted is a RW smear? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #3
I agree Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #5
I like the appeal process Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #4
That is ridiculous. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #36
It was, thankfully. krispos42 Sep 2016 #44
Given enough manure a bad idea will grow. JonathanRackham Aug 2016 #6
They really are pathetic, but the lies are all they have Lurks Often Aug 2016 #7
I don't want to get into the habit of doing what they do: Congratulating ourselves Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #8
Agreed n/t Lurks Often Aug 2016 #11
Well, lies and misplaced hope DonP Aug 2016 #10
I find it especially ironic sarisataka Aug 2016 #9
I know, right, lol Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #18
Change a few words... beevul Aug 2016 #12
That description also holds for another group at DU. eom guillaumeb Sep 2016 #37
Which group would that be seeing as this group welcomes debate? Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #39
Agreed. But I was talking about another group. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #41
Just look at who is behind the controllers....and what motivates them. ileus Aug 2016 #13
Not to be contrary but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #14
I think it went that way a long time ago... NaturalHigh Aug 2016 #15
You can tell its successful by ALL the activism taking root over there. jmg257 Aug 2016 #16
69 or 70. beevul Aug 2016 #17
Those yutz's are simply following the lead of early Controllers........ pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #19
Agreed. Straw Man Aug 2016 #20
That entire Maddow rant was so chock-full of BS that it would take many pages pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #21
wow beergood Sep 2016 #24
Yeah.......she truly is pathetic on the "gun control"/gun violence subject. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #26
So you think NJ's ban on cop-killer hollowpoints is BS? No. scscholar Sep 2016 #27
The descriptor 'cop-killer hollowpoints' is PURE BS. **YES** pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #28
Yes, its BS. "cop-killer hollowpoints" is exactly the kind of absolute fabrication the OP refers to. beevul Sep 2016 #29
What's a cop killer hollowpoint? Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #30
do you even know what a hollowpoint is? beergood Sep 2016 #32
He/she is likely unaware that cops went to hollowpoints......... pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #33
But, but, they saw it on a bumper sticker! DonP Sep 2016 #45
"Cop-killer bullets" and "hollowpoints" are opposite concepts. benEzra Sep 2016 #53
If all of that is true, then... scscholar Sep 2016 #56
Because NJ passed a pointless law based on a non-existent panic. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #57
Or pump your own gas DonP Sep 2016 #59
Actually, hollowpoints are legal in NJ. THe rest of your post stands, though. benEzra Sep 2016 #68
Because of people who were fed misinformation, which led them to support the proposed laws. beevul Sep 2016 #58
Same reason that "assault weapons" are demonized. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #60
Hollowpoints aren't banned in NJ (or to my knowledge, anywhere else). benEzra Sep 2016 #67
Gun control is a joke. Kang Colby Sep 2016 #22
A bad joke... beevul Sep 2016 #23
"Just say no" to more gun control. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #31
"There is even a complaint about the posting of articles discussing string theory in physics" beergood Sep 2016 #25
But you posted a perfectly legitimate scientific article. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #34
my apologies beergood Sep 2016 #71
I referred to the reference to your posts as made by your detractor. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #72
If I look at the sky through rose-colored glasses it appears purple. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #35
It's a meaningless metaphor. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #38
Because they do not. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #40
According to the poster I cited in my OP Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #42
I prefer proven fact to accepted fact. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #43
And I believe you, which is why its so disappointing to see you so determined to align with a group Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #48
A question. When you said: guillaumeb Sep 2016 #52
I'm going to say some things but don't take my word for it. Poll my fellow RKBA advocates. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #54
Second on the serious time for gun crimes and follow up on straw sales DonP Sep 2016 #55
I'll "third" these ideas. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #62
I understand that these are your personal views that may be shared. On that: guillaumeb Sep 2016 #66
I also prefer "allow" discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #69
I actually said "family" not immediate family because guillaumeb Sep 2016 #73
BGCs, carelessness, training, etc discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #79
Make training a yearly requirement? guillaumeb Sep 2016 #81
I'd be okay with an annual requirement discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #84
It's difficult to demand people do anything with their private property. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #70
The FOID card idea might work. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #74
One of the considerations is: Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #75
Training and testing might be something to subcontract to selected gun ranges guillaumeb Sep 2016 #76
Something tells me Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #77
quick question, gejohnston Sep 2016 #78
My first question would be:Does training ever hurt? guillaumeb Sep 2016 #80
If its used to turn a right into a privilege, yes, it hurts. N/T beevul Sep 2016 #82
"Does training ever hurt?" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #83
I second that approval. eom guillaumeb Sep 2016 #85
It doesn't hurt, gejohnston Sep 2016 #86
Would you support universal gun safety training... beevul Sep 2016 #87
If it had an "opt out" provision. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #88
That's a good idea discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #89
I wouldn't object to that. N/T beevul Sep 2016 #90
Book by liberal criminologists James Wright & Peter Rossi......... pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #61
To that crowd, they stopped being "Liberal" Criminologists when they published the research DonP Sep 2016 #63
Good enough for Jimmy Carter to hire, thrown under the bus by The Controllers. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #65
We've just been handed a prime example of how "gun control" relies on fabrication. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #46
Seems contrary to "we want a discussion" doesn't it? beevul Sep 2016 #47
Kind of like their version of "compromise"? DonP Sep 2016 #49
Exactly right Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #51
And not just in "Bans-a-lot Land." NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #50
Regarding guns, I get the two confused. Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #64
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