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ellisonz

(27,706 posts)
13. One shouldn't cast asparagus...
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 01:42 PM
Mar 2012

...when clearly incidents like that are very rare.


Parents need to know what the mental state of their kids is. That is also an issue. Sometimes kids are beaten to death.


And sometimes parents just don't care, which is why making safe-storage the law is important so that some legal standard can exist for responsible gun ownership.
Right. elleng Mar 2012 #1
You're welcome. ellisonz Mar 2012 #2
B.S. Teenagers set kid on fire with gasoline. RegieRocker Mar 2012 #3
no way pip...it's those evil guns. ileus Mar 2012 #5
One shouldn't cast asparagus... ellisonz Mar 2012 #13
Well it wasn't rare for the parents of the kid who got burned. You know the logical next step. Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #68
Crass and pathetic counter-argument... ellisonz Mar 2012 #70
You're the master of hyperbole, my friend. LAGC Mar 2012 #71
I'd rather be hyperbolic for less bloodshed... ellisonz Mar 2012 #72
That's just fucking brilliant! Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #14
What is not brilliant is the fact you do not realize murders have been RegieRocker Mar 2012 #69
One wonders how you did miss the much higher rate of death associated with Automobiles, versus guns AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #160
gunz kill people. ileus Mar 2012 #4
like spoonz make people fat (nt) SATIRical Mar 2012 #51
The kid stole a firearm that was not properly secured. What is "properly secured"? oneshooter Mar 2012 #6
That's simple one-eyed fat man Mar 2012 #7
+100 Well said. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #15
Well, that's a first. A +100 to sarcasm. shadowrider Mar 2012 #23
You and Brewster may intend it as sarcastic, but he's right on the money. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #33
So let me understand your rules shadowrider Mar 2012 #36
Those might be your rules, not mine. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #48
Really? SATIRical Mar 2012 #54
I don't mean to be rude Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #95
News flash guns are designed to save. ileus Mar 2012 #82
So, if your boat gets stolen (failure to secure your property) and then oneshooter Mar 2012 #84
Sorry, but my boat was not designed to be a weapon Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #96
So if they're not designed as weapons, they don't kill anyone? shadowrider Mar 2012 #98
Nobody can be that thick. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #114
You are ignoring the fact that it can be made into one. And that by not securing it properly oneshooter Mar 2012 #111
I am responsible for my boat being secure Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #117
Oh? one-eyed fat man Mar 2012 #122
Could you please... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #135
They don't. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #136
How is that relevant to this discussion? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #140
Tremendous comfort ... Straw Man Mar 2012 #123
Why don't you ask them? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #128
Well, that would be horribly insensitive, don't you think? Straw Man Mar 2012 #130
Not designed to kill? Really? Nobody is that naive. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #134
Designed to kill? Really, nobody is that clueless. Straw Man Mar 2012 #137
so in other words, gejohnston Mar 2012 #26
If one chooses to own dangerous items, yes! Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #30
we are talking a victim of theft gejohnston Mar 2012 #34
Oh, come on GE. You're one of the smarter members of this group. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #49
sorry gejohnston Mar 2012 #53
You just made the case for abstinance SATIRical Mar 2012 #55
What on earth are you talking about? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #59
How typical... Clames Mar 2012 #73
And if he did... ellisonz Mar 2012 #74
It would be a sight more conducive to the discussion... Clames Mar 2012 #76
"Your side just can't get away from blaming inanimate objects. That is a problem in and of itself." ellisonz Mar 2012 #77
Really? Clames Mar 2012 #87
lol ellisonz Mar 2012 #89
Weak... Clames Mar 2012 #115
And there we have it. Straw Man Mar 2012 #124
Some may. I don't. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #127
So are you disavowing your "ultimate precaution" pronouncement? Straw Man Mar 2012 #132
You could call it dancing. Not a bad word. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #133
No, it's a good word. Straw Man Mar 2012 #138
What about a gun stolen from a Police Station? By your "logic" the cops shouldn't own guns. sikorsky Mar 2012 #141
You obviously don't know me. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #154
Mea culpa...I don't think I've ever known anyone who thinks American cops shouldn't have guns. sikorsky Mar 2012 #157
Which is why you are blaming the gun owner SATIRical Mar 2012 #56
Blaming one does not absolve the other Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #57
Then you also need to blame SATIRical Mar 2012 #60
You are being ridiculous. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #62
Absolutely SATIRical Mar 2012 #63
No. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #65
Oh. So the kid could have fired the gun SATIRical Mar 2012 #66
If the bullets were sold to the kid, then yes, Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #79
if the ammo was sold to the kid gejohnston Mar 2012 #86
Absolutely SATIRical Mar 2012 #88
Don't be ridiculous. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #93
if you think the uncle should be gejohnston Mar 2012 #64
Wrong ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #8
I guess posting info from the Brady Campaign, a right-wing Republican shadowrider Mar 2012 #9
Brady Campaign = right-wing Republican? ellisonz Mar 2012 #12
So if you can post from Republican sites, so can everyone else, right? shadowrider Mar 2012 #25
Your characterization of the Brady Campaign as Republican is spurrious. ellisonz Mar 2012 #29
The Brady Campaign is non-partisan? ROFL shadowrider Mar 2012 #32
Yeah pretty much... ellisonz Mar 2012 #39
Sure, as long as one of your anti-gun cohorts does it first shadowrider Mar 2012 #40
Shhblaaammm ellisonz Mar 2012 #42
Objectively? gejohnston Mar 2012 #37
last time I checked gejohnston Mar 2012 #31
So, what is a man's excuse? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #16
It's mainly a mental health problem slackmaster Mar 2012 #10
NO. It is a VIOLENCE PROBLEM. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #11
Brilliant. "the kind of firearm this kid used is about as "benign" a firearm as exists" Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #20
Sometimes all you can do with... ellisonz Mar 2012 #24
Every firearm is a deadly weapon. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #50
"Every firearm is a deadly weapon." Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #52
Like I said, there is a reason why I put "benign" in quotes. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #58
As I have stated many times Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #61
"I am not advocating any gun control." Horseshit. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #75
What does your quote have to do with gun control? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #78
When the same proposals are made in legislatures, they are acknowledged by all... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #80
You confuse self control with gun control Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #97
You can't necessarily report something stolen or missing shadowrider Mar 2012 #100
More fool you for having so many guns and not protecting them Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #104
Sure, I'd give my guns to a "surrogate owner" shadowrider Mar 2012 #106
No, you wouldn't be responsible Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #108
Hang on, that's not what you said earlier shadowrider Mar 2012 #110
Allow me to explain Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #113
I'm thoroughly confused shadowrider Mar 2012 #116
More confused than I thought. Let's try one more time. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #118
Quit being condescending shadowrider Mar 2012 #120
Where and when did I suggest giving them to a friend? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #121
Here shadowrider Mar 2012 #125
Your word , not mine. I would never give a gun to a friend. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #126
You didn't say "Professional Service", you said surrogate shadowrider Mar 2012 #155
for one thing gejohnston Mar 2012 #102
Good point, but I stand by it. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #119
"Responsibility and accountability" is the new "reasonable and common-sense" friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #81
How surprising that a proponent of handgun proliferation Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #99
because it is never defined gejohnston Mar 2012 #103
It's never defined shadowrider Mar 2012 #107
You are walking and talking like a duck. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #85
A very sane duck, I might add. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #91
Mental state notwithstanding, still a duck. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #105
I like ducks. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #109
I like to eat them. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #112
You enjoy shooting shadowrider Mar 2012 #90
No. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #92
Own any rifles or shotguns? shadowrider Mar 2012 #94
Not at present. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #101
So, let me get this straight. montanto Mar 2012 #17
That's not what he argued. ellisonz Mar 2012 #18
correlation is not causation. I rest my case. montanto Mar 2012 #19
Without getting into the nitty gritty... ellisonz Mar 2012 #21
even if he didn't steal it gejohnston Mar 2012 #22
Hypothetical. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #27
count on it gejohnston Mar 2012 #35
C'mon man. Drug dealers know guns are agin the law shadowrider Mar 2012 #28
I'll grant you that most would say the correlation is significant. montanto Mar 2012 #38
It's really not that complex... ellisonz Mar 2012 #41
Mea culpa. montanto Mar 2012 #44
Agreed. ellisonz Mar 2012 #45
We agree, then, that proaction is solution oriented, and montanto Mar 2012 #46
No one takes action without belief... ellisonz Mar 2012 #47
It's the brady bunch, who gives a rats ass what he thinks. rl6214 Mar 2012 #43
Why blame an inanimate object? Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #67
No no...it's a gun, ask any Anti they'll tell you guns kill people...designed to kill no less. ileus Mar 2012 #83
So once again... it's okay if teenagers are troubled, bullied, teased, and become violent. krispos42 Mar 2012 #129
Not at all... ellisonz Mar 2012 #131
Nobody is saying that it "plays no role." Straw Man Mar 2012 #139
"that it's a supporting rather than a central role." ellisonz Mar 2012 #144
Yes, that's right. Straw Man Mar 2012 #159
Nobody is denying that access to firearms plays a role in this sort of thing krispos42 Mar 2012 #142
"it has a measurable effect" ellisonz Mar 2012 #143
I don't think I've spent a lot of time advocating against safe storage. krispos42 Mar 2012 #145
Awareness and prosecution... ellisonz Mar 2012 #146
Required to buy a safe each time you buy a gun? krispos42 Mar 2012 #147
My point exactly... ellisonz Mar 2012 #148
No, THAT'S not an unreasonable regulation krispos42 Mar 2012 #150
The laws are basically that... ellisonz Mar 2012 #153
Right. krispos42 Mar 2012 #156
Enforcement mechanism? Clames Mar 2012 #158
you missed his point gejohnston Mar 2012 #151
a safe for each gun gejohnston Mar 2012 #149
Already purchased... ellisonz Mar 2012 #152
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