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gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
168. no, and neither seller knew that.
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:14 PM
Feb 2012

because the clerk had no way of knowing that Cho was ruled mentally incompetent (making him a prohibited person). That is not on him or the NRA. The clerk only knew what the FBI told him. The FBI did not know because Virginia didn't bother to tell them.
Cho violated the Gun Control Act of 1968 by lying on the ATF form 4473. He then went on to commit mass murder.

The clerk would be to blame only if he knew Cho to be lying. Then the clerk would be in federal prison for violating GCA.
A Virginia court ruled Cho off his rocker
Virginia forgot to tell the FBI, leaving them in the dark
The FBI told the clerk to proceed with the sale based on the false information from Virginia
The clerk sold the gun because the FBI said Cho was OK.

with the car driver:
the seller had no way of knowing the buyer had multiple DUIs and was an alcoholic. He is not to blame.
The driver is the only one to blame.

It sounds like you are for prosecuting people who committed no crime, had no way of knowing what as about to happen, for an act someone else did.
That is like the liability protection. It only protects the gun industry from law suits that are basically SLAPP suits (filing friviolus and absurd lawsuits for the sole purpose of driving the target to financial ruin. The tactic was pioneered by corporate criminals to deal with pesky environmental/social justice advocates.)
When was that product liability passed? In 2002, Brady won one suit against Kahr arms because Kahr (IIRC) had a felon working for them (a crime). What the felon had to with the crime gun I can only speculate. But at the least, some HR people should have been canned.

For example:
Ruger makes a pistol, legally sells it to wholesaler with ATF oversight. In this case, NYPD decides to decides to buy Ruger pistols. Wholesaler sells the guns (legally with ATF oversight) to NYPD. Gangsters break into the police armory (like LAPD losing 20 SMGs and several pistols) or (this being NYPD), a cop sells some of those guns to a gang. The gang murders someone. Brady goes after the wholesaler and Ruger, but not the people who are actually responsible.

Indeed fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #1
The VT killer OBEYED the "1 gun per month" law. So what good did it do? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #3
One Gun fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #5
I think you're confused about what that law actually did. There was no limit on the # of guns owned. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #8
Reduces Number of Guns fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #12
What good did the absence of legal handguns since the '70s do for DC? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #19
Another Soundbite fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #22
I asked "What good did DC's handgun ban do?". It seems a simple question. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #42
See Previous Post fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #45
Correct fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #137
Police aren't there to stop crimes or to protect anyone rl6214 Feb 2012 #52
Seriously? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #54
Seriously. ManiacJoe Feb 2012 #60
Glad You Changed Your Mind fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #65
Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone rl6214 Feb 2012 #93
Oh Goody fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #95
"How about some good old common sense?" PavePusher Feb 2012 #97
Who Said They Do? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #101
Oh so everything involving the police should be based upon slogans painted on cop cars? rl6214 Feb 2012 #108
Nah fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #118
Got It fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #141
You should look at the video one-eyed fat man Feb 2012 #56
See Your Point fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #134
not what he was saying gejohnston Feb 2012 #151
Ok fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #152
I blame only Cho gejohnston Feb 2012 #155
There Were Dozens of Tech Police fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #156
I don't blame the individual cops gejohnston Feb 2012 #157
Comparing Law Abiding Cops fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #158
You misread what I said gejohnston Feb 2012 #159
Huh? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #160
no, and neither seller knew that. gejohnston Feb 2012 #168
There's alot in your post fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #169
And their best was, at best, nothing. The failure is with the Va. state system of reporting oneshooter Feb 2012 #161
That fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #162
Those who enabled him to have a gun one-eyed fat man Feb 2012 #176
Maybe you should remember Texas one-eyed fat man Feb 2012 #175
Yes, it was a very bad thing. GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #181
yes...yes...and yes ileus Feb 2012 #62
Yes, actually. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #136
So...... fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #148
For many users, that would probably be fine. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #179
Why don't you ask the likes of Cho? rl6214 Feb 2012 #51
You Go Ahead fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #66
You don't need to because you are afraid of the answer. rl6214 Feb 2012 #94
What a Crock fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #96
You seriously cant be believing the BS you are peddling rl6214 Feb 2012 #109
Reality fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #113
Reality? rl6214 Feb 2012 #115
Gosh fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #117
No, he was able to because ONE STATE had weak mental health reporting mechanisms. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #138
So.... fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #142
They have long since done so. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #177
So, how did this law have anything to do with VT? PavePusher Feb 2012 #2
You do know you're ruining a perfectly good appeal to emotion, right? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #4
More Guns fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #6
Well I have just over 200 in my collection, and just bought another 30 gun safe. oneshooter Feb 2012 #7
One a Month Works for Me fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #9
*Do* let us know when the Senate confirms you as Secretary of Needs. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #14
Can I Be a Free fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #15
No more than I can be free of the ramifications of your free speech. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #18
No, you cannot. Callisto32 Feb 2012 #20
Absolutely! discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #25
You First fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #27
We live in a democratic republic. Majority rules unless it fucks with minorities. Fortran Feb 2012 #29
Republic? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #31
You don't think the USA is a democratic republic? Wow. Fortran Feb 2012 #33
Do I Have a Voting Member fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #39
All my congresspeople are assholes. That doesn't mean the system is unworkable. Fortran Feb 2012 #40
You Get To Vote fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #41
'cuse me... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #47
Gosh fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #49
I'm with you. discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #58
You can't vote them in or out? BiggJawn Feb 2012 #63
Correct fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #64
My sympathies. BiggJawn Feb 2012 #85
Write Your Member of Congress fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #86
We do indeed. discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #44
Elected Officials? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #48
Look buddy... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #50
Thank You fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #55
Clearly, Old Ben had never been to DC. Callisto32 Feb 2012 #73
Sure, you can move to a country without a a Bill of Rights. Fortran Feb 2012 #28
Wow fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #35
I didn't say you must love it. You only have to respect it. Fortran Feb 2012 #37
Basic Civics? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #38
This is always your cross to bear pipoman Feb 2012 #67
Got It fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #68
Correct pipoman Feb 2012 #69
Are We Talking Guns? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #70
You do realize this isn't the topic of this thread, no? pipoman Feb 2012 #71
Guns are the Topic fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #72
Wrong pipoman Feb 2012 #76
Oh.......... fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #77
Exactly what profanity would that be? Care to retract? pipoman Feb 2012 #98
No fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #102
I have always disagreed with you on this subject, pipoman Feb 2012 #119
If I'm Wrong fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #120
How about you tell us. beevul Feb 2012 #82
Are We Back To DC? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #87
Because they thought it would pass and they could get their rider passed too. N/T GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #125
At the expense fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #128
Democrats scuttled the bill. beevul Feb 2012 #172
That's fucking rich. Callisto32 Feb 2012 #74
Ok fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #75
That is, of course, not even close to what was stated. PavePusher Feb 2012 #79
I have this feeling that it would not be easy era veteran Feb 2012 #24
I Wouldn't Bet Your Life or His on It fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #26
How do you feel about a culture that glorifies home invaders and thugs and hates their victims? Fortran Feb 2012 #30
Oppose That Too fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #32
Schizophrenia has a way of doing that. Fortran Feb 2012 #34
Yea fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #36
I sounds to me that it is more like a case of hoplophobia. oneshooter Feb 2012 #83
Give an Example fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #144
How many hands does this 'someone' have? AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #139
Good to Know fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #143
Usually one, but some platforms allow for firing one in each hand. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #178
And I would guess that you would be among the first to gang on me if it happened. oneshooter Feb 2012 #43
Hope Not fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #53
"Unfortunately, Texas and Virginia are the source for most illegal guns used in violent crimes in DC rl6214 Feb 2012 #112
Amnesty Day fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #116
Remember Brady II? It would have established the need for an "arsenal license" Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #23
Haven't even touched the ammo yet. Thats a whole nother question! n/t oneshooter Feb 2012 #46
Not Sure fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #122
You need to work on your reading comrehension. oneshooter Feb 2012 #133
Wow fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #135
All my arms safes weigh between 650 and 700lbs EMPTY, and are fireproof to 1600deg for 30 min. oneshooter Feb 2012 #146
On Behalf of the Memories fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #147
I have never, in over 40 years of collecting, had a firearm stolen. oneshooter Feb 2012 #149
Nah fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #150
So this reply was sincere.................. oneshooter Feb 2012 #170
See that Question Mark? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #171
Tell me how much political speech is sufficient to meet your needs? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #10
Guns Seek to Squelch Political Speech fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #11
Animism? Really? Guns don't do actually do anything unless some human operates them. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #17
RIGHT fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #21
Is That The Only Speech? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #123
Once again you are demonstrating one of the key parts... Clames Feb 2012 #13
Not the Chance for Theft fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #16
So if you are the victim you are also at fault? era veteran Feb 2012 #57
Restrictions fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #59
The Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting. PavePusher Feb 2012 #80
Read my Post Again fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #88
According to You fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #124
Answer the questions posed.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #78
What Question is that? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #91
Don't flatter yourself thinking you're being clever. PavePusher Feb 2012 #99
Whatever fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #103
"Personal dislike"? Hardly. PavePusher Feb 2012 #107
Of Course fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #130
In America we don't have a Dep't of Needs. GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #121
Yea Yea Yea fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #127
You ran away from the point. GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #131
No fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #132
On the contrary, you do have to justify a restriction. PavePusher Feb 2012 #153
What a Surprise fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #154
The one gun (pistol) rule doesn't apply to me. ileus Feb 2012 #61
Since the conversation got so thouroughly derailed, I'll repose the relevent questions: PavePusher Feb 2012 #81
Easy fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #89
Let Me Add fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #92
"No Virginia Tech student (or anyone) has a need for more than one gun a month." PavePusher Feb 2012 #100
Ok fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #105
He has no duty to prove something that he has not asserted. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #163
Coming from Someone fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #164
He's right. n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #173
Interesting fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #110
Why should he offer anything? Cho *obeyed* the one gun a month law, so it prevented nothing. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #165
He Doesn't Have To fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #167
Virgina state's mental health reporting laws were corrected after that incident. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #140
Corrected? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #145
VA joined 12 other states (like Washington) in authorizing AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #180
Shouldn't the title read "Parent of brady shill..."? beevul Feb 2012 #84
Citation Please fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #90
It's the only part of the cited article that the OP did NOT quote. Fascinating, eh? n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #104
Makes Sense fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #106
Well that... Clames Feb 2012 #111
Brady Bunch? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #114
Looks, sounds, smells like a duck... Clames Feb 2012 #126
Yea fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #129
LOL beevul Feb 2012 #166
Mirror, mirror.... n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #174
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