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Atypical Liberal

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28. Excellent post. If not from the NRA, whither come the decades of liberal gun laws?
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 01:15 PM
Feb 2012
Having said that, you've posted an article that says the NRA is a paper tiger, therefore a figurehead cog in the wheel, not a real cog like the fundies and the forced-childbirth legions.

And yet, gun laws in America continue to get more and more liberal.

So if the gunnies are winning, and it's NOT because of the NRA or any other gun-rights organization, then where does it come from? The grassroots?

And if the gunnies are winning, and it's NOT because of the NRA, this means that the anti-gun-groups are LOSING to no organized or powerful national organization.

Which speaks very poorly of the anti-gun groups!


Excellent post.
If it's ineffective and overrated, you can't complain they're "scaring" Democrats into compliance. TheWraith Feb 2012 #1
That doesn't stop the meme of NRA-power from being spread. ellisonz Feb 2012 #2
And what office is Dr. Dean running for this year? DonP Feb 2012 #10
He's semi-retired. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #12
If they're SO ineffective, why all the whining from the anti-gun zealots about how rl6214 Feb 2012 #17
Because the one thing they succeed in is fooling... ellisonz Feb 2012 #20
But how can they be succeding if, according to the OP, they are irrelevant in the elections. rl6214 Feb 2012 #24
They are irrelevant in swinging close elections... ellisonz Feb 2012 #25
Perfectly clear rl6214 Feb 2012 #30
Yes. They fooled a bunch of Democrats, including Slick Willie himself. nt SteveW Feb 2012 #103
And How Did That Work Out? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #35
More like... Clames Feb 2012 #3
It's my belief that an NRA endorsement might make the difference in a close election... spin Feb 2012 #4
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As long as there are groups like VPC, Clames Feb 2012 #7
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This message was self-deleted by its author ellisonz Feb 2012 #13
Yea.... fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #36
So how long have you been a Brady member? DonP Feb 2012 #37
So Many questions. fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #38
So very disappointing. DonP Feb 2012 #39
Talk about Blather fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #41
What? And miss the hysterical humor you offer? Never. DonP Feb 2012 #43
By support.... fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #45
that is when you change the gejohnston Feb 2012 #47
Got It fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #48
Got it Oneka Feb 2012 #58
Do You Want Me to Join? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #72
Well, Don, is there really anything there to join? nt SteveW Feb 2012 #105
Asked and Answered fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #61
Assume fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #63
So, all you really do is talk about gun control - got it DonP Feb 2012 #64
Right fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #65
DC had a chance for voting rights, representation, et al. beevul Feb 2012 #66
Yep fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #67
Then YOU have nothing to complain about. beevul Feb 2012 #68
I Leave You to Your Circular Arguments fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #69
Now shares...err I mean FTGFN...it isnt nice to put words in peoples mouths. beevul Feb 2012 #70
Draconian? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #71
Yes draconian. beevul Feb 2012 #73
Huh? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #74
Looks like you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what happened. beevul Feb 2012 #75
Wrong fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #76
No. YOU are wrong. beevul Feb 2012 #79
Start From the Top fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #80
"What you characterize as a choice was not." beevul Feb 2012 #88
Should that 'Choice' fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #89
That really doesnt matter, because whats past is past. beevul Feb 2012 #90
'IT DOESN'T MATTER' fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #91
I didn't say it didn't matter to me. beevul Feb 2012 #92
??? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #94
I'll make this REALLY simple for you: beevul Feb 2012 #99
Let Me Be REALLY Simple fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #100
There can be no discussion if youre unwilling to make your position crystal clear. beevul Feb 2012 #102
We don't expect you to join the NRA or the Bradys; they're both GOP. nt SteveW Feb 2012 #106
Well when they actually.... Clames Feb 2012 #59
Like What fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #95
Oh you know... Clames Feb 2012 #96
Just What I Thought fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #97
to quote H.L. Mencken gejohnston Feb 2012 #98
No... Clames Feb 2012 #101
Point of order: Didn't Beevul ask you to "state your position?" nt SteveW Feb 2012 #107
He did shadowrider Apr 2012 #110
Sure Emanuel will "wage the tough fight." It ain't his money. nt SteveW Feb 2012 #104
The 2A isn't left or right.... ileus Feb 2012 #6
Very true. (n/t) spin Feb 2012 #9
It's been used by right for some nasty things? Hoyt Feb 2012 #16
The NRA could be a cog in the left-wing machine... krispos42 Feb 2012 #11
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Excellent post. If not from the NRA, whither come the decades of liberal gun laws? Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #28
Ergo (LOL).... fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #34
Or at least the ILA branch. krispos42 Feb 2012 #60
Huh? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #81
You do realize you replied to that post last week, right? n/t krispos42 Feb 2012 #86
So? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #87
Just making sure. n/t krispos42 Feb 2012 #93
The NRAs job is to lie, scare people and raise money! Logical Feb 2012 #15
But according to the OP they are SO ineffective, so what's the big deal? rl6214 Feb 2012 #18
Well, being a liberal I dislike them lying about Obama. Should bother you also... Logical Feb 2012 #19
How about Standing Up to the NRA.... fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #44
How about you standing up for, and supporting the VPC and the Brady's. oneshooter Feb 2012 #46
Good Advice fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #49
What Is It with You and Brady? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #82
Then how do you account for the following fact? GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #21
Purely coincidental, I'm sure DonP Feb 2012 #22
You're missing the point... ellisonz Feb 2012 #26
Myth?? LOL!! Take a look at these FACTS: GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #23
I actually tend to agree with you. benEzra Feb 2012 #27
Honest answer. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #32
The NRA could be just anohter cog in the left-wing machine. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #29
Oh, if its just a myth, then we can expect to stop hearing about the influence of the NRA then? cleanhippie Feb 2012 #31
Sorry, ch -- pro-restriction supporters get to have it both ways. Those are the rules. Simo 1939_1940 Feb 2012 #33
Is that like saying...... fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #40
Actually, guns *don't* kill people- unless one believes in animism. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #50
Right fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #52
in most states gejohnston Feb 2012 #53
Do You Support Changing fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #54
if not all states gejohnston Feb 2012 #55
Do You Support Laws fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #56
I don't know a state that does gejohnston Feb 2012 #57
Would you support laws cleanhippie Feb 2012 #62
No fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #77
You are right, however you can operate that vehicle outside that bar oneshooter Feb 2012 #78
Of Course Not fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #83
Acually you can, simply by driving the car into the bar, Remember you are drunk! oneshooter Feb 2012 #84
Yea well.... fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #85
What's your over/under on when we get a lecture about the malign influence of the NRA... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #51
I'd have to see a lot more details (operational definitions and real numbers) before commenting. aikoaiko Feb 2012 #42
The question is whether they're perceived to be powerful. caseymoz Apr 2012 #108
they vote Republican gejohnston Apr 2012 #109
I'll add: caseymoz Apr 2012 #111
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