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hansberrym

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150. A Thanksgiving Tale
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:47 AM
Jul 2013

A Thanksgiving Tale
It was the dinner rush at the Hungry Pilgrim, but the stock market was crashing and the chef just had to speak to his broker. With cell phone in hand, he sped for the walk-in cooler, because that's the best place to keep and talk turkey.

Who are the Militia? [View all] DWC Jul 2013 OP
Times change WovenGems Jul 2013 #1
Couldn't you find a bigger brush? geckosfeet Jul 2013 #3
agreed. safeinOhio Jul 2013 #4
My, oh my, you're a champ. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #11
What? WovenGems Jul 2013 #14
George Mason: discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #16
That answered not WovenGems Jul 2013 #17
Just to be clear... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #18
The militia WovenGems Jul 2013 #21
From US History... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #23
Semantics WovenGems Jul 2013 #25
Agreed in part discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #30
It specifically is not. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #36
Rather an indistinct meaning these days, no? jmg257 Jul 2013 #28
Not even close. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #37
Thank You - "unorganized", which isnt even close to "well-regulated" jmg257 Jul 2013 #41
You don't understand what was meant by 'well regulated'. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #42
Of course I do, its right there in the Constitution, the Militia Acts, even the Federalist papers. jmg257 Jul 2013 #45
Partially agree. Except AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #64
No. The militias are NOT formed in times of need. THEY ARE NECESSARY! jmg257 Jul 2013 #68
I have suggested to our governor on several occasions AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #70
It might. But then agan...why would a sand bag brigade need arms? Or to be well regulated? nt jmg257 Jul 2013 #72
I think emergency management would be a valid test. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #73
Sure. Make the provisions in law. Get the people at least somewhat involved jmg257 Jul 2013 #74
So many falacies in one post. beevul Jul 2013 #43
Bullshit - you might want to read this too jmg257 Jul 2013 #47
Which part of that contradicts anything I said? N/T beevul Jul 2013 #48
"First off, "well regulated" doesn't mean heaped under regulations. " jmg257 Jul 2013 #49
The "well regulated" which I refer to... beevul Jul 2013 #52
YOU get to define the term "well-regulated"? In spite its use in several other period jmg257 Jul 2013 #56
NRA WovenGems Jul 2013 #58
Ooga-booga NRA! AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #66
Except at this point, none of that matters ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #87
Yes! You are of course right. Which is why I dont get all the yap about "militia". jmg257 Jul 2013 #89
Well even newspapers... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #92
Exactly! ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #94
Not strange when one considers the topics discussed. hansberrym Jul 2013 #147
BTW...amendment 2 "calls for" a "well-regulated militia". They are "necessary". jmg257 Jul 2013 #51
No, it really doesn't. beevul Jul 2013 #53
Sure it does. A well-regulated militia is "necessary". jmg257 Jul 2013 #57
It doesn't mean what you think it means. beevul Jul 2013 #111
I know, I never said anything was forbidden. jmg257 Jul 2013 #115
No, but amendment 2 does. beevul Jul 2013 #123
Ha! Ha! You are still on regulated = equipped? Bullshit yesterday, bullshit today, jmg257 Jul 2013 #125
Yeah you're right ... beevul Jul 2013 #128
Thanks - I know! jmg257 Jul 2013 #129
equipped not synonymous with regulated jimmy the one Jul 2013 #117
he's so vain...... jimmy the one Jul 2013 #119
Goofy - right? I just never heard that one before! jmg257 Jul 2013 #120
the right of the people to be equipped snbi jimmy the one Jul 2013 #149
All thaty ability to copy and paste... beevul Jul 2013 #124
n/a nt jmg257 Jul 2013 #130
irrelevant tapdance jimmy the one Jul 2013 #131
LOL beevul Jul 2013 #132
You might want to read this too, on the importance of preambles in amendments... jmg257 Jul 2013 #61
Regarding the Bill of Rights discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #62
Are you stating that there was such a thing as "the unorganized milita" in 1791? jmg257 Jul 2013 #63
Yes discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #65
THAT? The Act that says "organization" right in it??? jmg257 Jul 2013 #69
Unorganized Militia discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #85
??? The same folks as who? What does this have to do with 1791?? jmg257 Jul 2013 #95
Here's a secret discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #97
No, its my turn to say again...the militia referred to in 1792 were REGULATED, organized, jmg257 Jul 2013 #98
Your opinion differs from... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #102
Peace, friend...and cheers! jmg257 Jul 2013 #104
Hmmm...maybe you are missing this? jmg257 Jul 2013 #100
Yes, there was, and they were referred to as 'irregular' troops. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #67
Sorry - "troops" are very different from "militia".... jmg257 Jul 2013 #71
"NOW" being a key word...what year was this? nt jmg257 Jul 2013 #27
Yes of course. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #33
Done - in numerous locations, just in this thread alone. jmg257 Jul 2013 #34
The Militia Act of 1903... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #46
True - and mention the creation of the National Guard as the new "well-regulated militia". jmg257 Jul 2013 #50
I'm a dumbass, ignore this post. :) n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #55
"the unorganized militia" discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #59
Great...thanks for this. jmg257 Jul 2013 #60
Times Change. People don't. DWC Jul 2013 #20
fruitcakes discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #22
OF COURSE people change...a huge majority these days don't want to have ANY jmg257 Jul 2013 #29
Human Nature DWC Jul 2013 #35
If you are male, and were ever between the ages of 17-45 ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #79
This little tidbit is in Virginia's declaration of rights: geckosfeet Jul 2013 #2
Yea but WovenGems Jul 2013 #5
So, I'm a 'nutter' now for being a trained, certified FEMA CERT? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #39
Clearly a balance is the best option discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #7
And yet Hamilton said... jmg257 Jul 2013 #32
However... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #44
No shit. But what's the point? jmg257 Jul 2013 #80
The point discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #82
the people = 'free adult white males' jimmy the one Jul 2013 #8
re: "...excluding about 75% of other americans..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #9
machiavellian jimmy the one Jul 2013 #15
re: "...75% americans did not have any federal right to bear arms in late 1700's." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #86
You wrote "...hidden individual rkba subtlety...?" DWC Jul 2013 #13
"Unlimited power of the sword" is "in the hands of the people"? jmg257 Jul 2013 #26
Thanks for pointing out ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #90
The people have to be able to defend themselves ileus Jul 2013 #6
They were "ourselves"...circa 225 years ago. Now they are the National Guard... jmg257 Jul 2013 #10
Not that it's a big deal but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #12
coxe spelled it $R$K$B$A$ jimmy the one Jul 2013 #19
Your high volume of verbiage DWC Jul 2013 #24
TLDR ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #91
TLDR and YAWN!! CokeMachine Jul 2013 #105
Modern usage of term "militia" = anti-government, anti-tax extremists and fruitcakes Jessy169 Jul 2013 #31
We must be DWC Jul 2013 #38
You're looking at the dictionary definition Jessy169 Jul 2013 #40
Actually, he's looking at the governments military organization definition. :) n/t Decoy of Fenris Jul 2013 #54
1828 websters, again, on well regulated jimmy the one Jul 2013 #75
mason out of context jimmy the one Jul 2013 #76
See my last post! nt CokeMachine Jul 2013 #107
Changing horses, & bunkum jimmy the one Jul 2013 #77
oh really? hansberrym Jul 2013 #88
you're not feigning ignorance, HB jimmy the one Jul 2013 #101
try reading, it works for those who do. hansberrym Jul 2013 #113
trainband is a trained band jimmy the one Jul 2013 #121
Why is reading so difficult for you? hansberrym Jul 2013 #126
london militia, trainbands jimmy the one Jul 2013 #133
OMG you really cannot comprehend even the simplest of concepts hansberrym Jul 2013 #135
Stop responding to JTO he's having fun and won't answer ceonupe Jul 2013 #151
Yeah, but I'm having fun too, and his inability to answer is much of the fun n/t hansberrym Jul 2013 #154
see you, ceu. jimmy the one Jul 2013 #156
There it is again the ban you because we disagree ceonupe Jul 2013 #157
Curious as to why you quoted Hamilton, when his notions of a select militia jmg257 Jul 2013 #136
Perhaps curiosity will get the best of you, and you will read the thread -or maybe not. n/t hansberrym Jul 2013 #140
I have....several times. Curious as to why you would quote Hamlton? jmg257 Jul 2013 #141
see #142 n/t hansberrym Jul 2013 #143
Thanks..ill check it out...seems to make sense at 1st read. Nt jmg257 Jul 2013 #144
The Constitution is 4,433 words DWC Jul 2013 #99
Yawn -- lots of words -- yawn!! CokeMachine Jul 2013 #106
1788 1788 1788 1788 1788 1788 1788 jimmy the one Jul 2013 #78
You just caught that? Which makes his whole "unlimited power of the sword" thingie pretty silly, jmg257 Jul 2013 #81
what the hell is the 2nd needed for?? hansberrym Jul 2013 #116
Thank you - "POWERS actually GRANTED TO Congress". jmg257 Jul 2013 #118
Which powers were in the hands of Congress? hansberrym Jul 2013 #122
Congress had powers to provide for organizing/regulating/arming the militias jmg257 Jul 2013 #137
and did Congress have the power to disarm the people? n/t hansberrym Jul 2013 #138
My opinion? No they didn't. But i also think the security of the 2nd jmg257 Jul 2013 #139
There you go. So in order to prevent the abuse of the power actually granted hansberrym Jul 2013 #142
Good points on Hamilton...in the numerous times I've read it, jmg257 Jul 2013 #145
cheers! n/t hansberrym Jul 2013 #146
too funny hansberrym Jul 2013 #83
foot mouth egg face jimmy the one Jul 2013 #96
Even funnier hansberrym Jul 2013 #109
rawle's corollary jimmy the one Jul 2013 #84
LOL, and yet what Scalia wrote actually had impact ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #93
first draft of 2ndA & tench coxe jimmy the one Jul 2013 #103
See post 106. nt CokeMachine Jul 2013 #108
Chess Check your facts. When did the first Congress Meet? hansberrym Jul 2013 #110
Yawn. ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #112
student driver jimmy the one Jul 2013 #127
LOL, still not getting the lesson I see ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #134
talking turkeys jimmy the one Jul 2013 #148
A Thanksgiving Tale hansberrym Jul 2013 #150
OK, then let's look at what courts have said about the "militia" ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #152
henry colt jimmy the one Jul 2013 #155
Gee, I guess the fact ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #158
best consult your professors, mr student jimmy the one Jul 2013 #159
Maybe you missed this discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #160
XXXXXXX jimmy the one Jul 2013 #161
I'm speechless discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #162
Or just read the document hansberrym Jul 2013 #163
LOL, none are as blind as those that will not see ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #164
Quit -- you'll hurt his feelings. CokeMachine Jul 2013 #165
I thought it was funny... ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #166
screwy driver hansberrym Jul 2013 #153
Schooltime for two students jimmy the one Jul 2013 #167
Lesson One for JTO ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #168
changling jimmy the one Jul 2013 #169
Ah, but you do! ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #170
Lesson #1: Texas and Georgia are different states. n/t hansberrym Jul 2013 #172
We should all want the tools to defend our families and country. ileus Jul 2013 #114
I am the militia era veteran Jul 2013 #171
You do understand DWC Jul 2013 #173
Vigilance era veteran Jul 2013 #174
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