Gun Control & RKBA

rrneck

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14. But what happens if people simply don't care one way or the other?

Mon May 6, 2013, 11:18 AM

May 2013

An FFOL is a fine idea, and much better than trying to identify and disqualify people without due process, but at some point in a transfer somebody has to ask somebody else for their license. What would be the penalty if they do not and how would you prosecute those who don't?

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A Federal Firearms Operator's License [View all] Recursion May 2013 OP

Some states already do this Travis_0004 May 2013 #1

Exactly. I want to expand and formalize that. Recursion May 2013 #2

When you list guns-to-sell, is this a legal requirement? How about for CCW request? Eleanors38 May 2013 #4

Something like this has been proposed for state action... Eleanors38 May 2013 #3

The driver's license is entirely separate from the vehicle registry Recursion May 2013 #5

Here's an alternative Bazinga May 2013 #6

"A simple document with a notary seal ..."? In Illinois, a particular real estate agent notarized AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #51

Why the irrational fear of "gun registration"? rdharma May 2013 #7

Personally I'm for gun registration Recursion May 2013 #8

Why should "gun registration" be a "trade off' for voter disenfranchisement? rdharma May 2013 #9

Because we'd like to pass it Recursion May 2013 #10

No. That's only the way it works in the RW mind. rdharma May 2013 #11

Short answer, cars aren't constitutionally protected Bazinga May 2013 #16

No. The "rationality" of a feared gun "confiscation" is NOT "up in the air". rdharma May 2013 #18

Absolutely, if something is on fire. Bazinga May 2013 #22

No. Your concern of "firearms confiscation" is NOT a "legitimate concern"! rdharma May 2013 #25

If the concern has been addressed Bazinga May 2013 #26

Are you aware that you keep repeating the "firearms confiscation" nonsense........ rdharma May 2013 #31

works in Switzerland........... gejohnston May 2013 #32

Sure it did! rdharma May 2013 #34

the Schengen treaty was signed gejohnston May 2013 #35

So ...... guns aren't registered and regulated in Switzerland? rdharma May 2013 #37

as regulated as they are in Michigan. gejohnston May 2013 #39

You keep playing with that word "registered"...... rdharma May 2013 #54

but the guns were not registred gejohnston May 2013 #57

Once you bought it....... they had to be "registered". rdharma May 2013 #58

no, it could be a gejohnston May 2013 #62

No. It's not like that! rdharma May 2013 #63

Nope, I'm guessing your grasp of Swiss laws are up there with gejohnston May 2013 #65

And you would be wrong! rdharma May 2013 #66

I did. gejohnston May 2013 #67

Explain the difference between "licensing" and "registration"! rdharma May 2013 #68

seriously? gejohnston May 2013 #69

Yes, seriously! So my vehicle is an NFA item? rdharma May 2013 #70

were we talking about cars? gejohnston May 2013 #71

No. You were playing with the word "registration"! rdharma May 2013 #72

do you have a valid point to make, gejohnston May 2013 #73

Just made it......... rdharma May 2013 #74

ummmmmmm no gejohnston May 2013 #75

A little more concern for the words that *are* there Bazinga May 2013 #36

LEGAL OWNERSHIP rdharma May 2013 #38

If that's a joke then it must be over my head. Bazinga May 2013 #41

I think you're trying to be silly now. rdharma May 2013 #43

I think we're using "establish ownership" differently Bazinga May 2013 #55

"NRA talking points" is the equivalent of a papal bull ("ex cathedra") for certain people. friendly_iconoclast May 2013 #45

Talking points. Straw Man May 2013 #120

The confiscation of *registered* SKS rifles in California is no "NRA talking point". friendly_iconoclast May 2013 #28

strip mine sized excavator gejohnston May 2013 #29

No jack-booted thugs for you! rdharma May 2013 #33

What difference does it make? You've denied the reality of confiscation more than once: friendly_iconoclast May 2013 #44

What difference does it make? rdharma May 2013 #47

The fact that they passed the law Bazinga May 2013 #78

Confiscated SKSs? rdharma May 2013 #79

The law is there to read. Quit telling us it does not say what it does. friendly_iconoclast May 2013 #86

Please don't tell me about "confiscated SKSs"....... rdharma May 2013 #113

My point is I don't have to. Bazinga May 2013 #91

Intent to confiscate should be convincing enough, or are you calling Democrats liars? Howzit May 2013 #139

Looking for the background re the confiscation of an SKS? AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #94

I'm sure it's important to you to note that SKS owners could sell out of state... friendly_iconoclast May 2013 #84

SKS confiscation that never happened! rdharma May 2013 #88

Do you think if you keep repeating it you'll convince someone? Or get your credibility back? friendly_iconoclast May 2013 #93

Do me a favor. Document ONE SINGLE CONFISCATION! rdharma May 2013 #96

Don't have to. Straw Man May 2013 #121

No. Wrong on all counts. rdharma May 2013 #127

Let me get this straight. Straw Man May 2013 #131

No registration of the SKS "Sporter" took place in CA..... rdharma May 2013 #132

How about the Colt Sporter? CokeMachine May 2013 #133

The Colt is not an SKS Sporter. rdharma May 2013 #134

Nice snappy reply. CokeMachine May 2013 #137

No. Completely normal hobbies! rdharma May 2013 #138

Actually, it's worse than that. Straw Man May 2013 #135

Forced turn-ins are confiscations kudzu22 May 2013 #126

No forced turn in. rdharma May 2013 #128

Grandpa's Thompson? gejohnston May 2013 #129

Tax stamp is still $200 rdharma May 2013 #130

Forced disposal. Straw Man May 2013 #136

How many confiscations does it take before it becomes wrong? N/T beevul May 2013 #111

Hey! Document even ONE! eom rdharma May 2013 #114

Answer my question, and I'll address your request. N/T beevul May 2013 #118

I already know the answer....... rdharma May 2013 #119

You only know the embarassment of your own bias. beevul May 2013 #122

No "confiscations..... rdharma May 2013 #123

Depends on two things... cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #49

No. The point is........ no right is absolute....... and can be regulated. rdharma May 2013 #56

Wasn't that addressed in post #22? nt Bazinga May 2013 #76

Yes! rdharma May 2013 #81

Ha! Apparently! nt Bazinga May 2013 #92

Car ownership is not registered rl6214 May 2013 #20

Titled/Registered rdharma May 2013 #23

It is the purchasers responsibility to get it titled/registered rl6214 May 2013 #24

Warning To American Gun Owners From Canadian News Anchor . Jenoch May 2013 #40

"News anchor?" rdharma May 2013 #46

No. No. Jenoch May 2013 #50

How would you compel rrneck May 2013 #12

How do we do it with alcohol? Recursion May 2013 #13

But what happens if people simply don't care one way or the other? rrneck May 2013 #14

Well we highly limit cocaine transfers, too Recursion May 2013 #15

That's true. rrneck May 2013 #17

I would have no problem with that rl6214 May 2013 #19

Now I've heard it all! Registration "unnecessary invasion of privacy". rdharma May 2013 #21

That is the ACLU's argument against registration. nt hack89 May 2013 #30

FOID Half-Century Man May 2013 #27

Slight correction: Handguns in Illinois are a 3 day waiting period, long guns are 1 day. DonP May 2013 #42

Cool..been a while since I lived in Il. Half-Century Man May 2013 #48

Getting a FOID card involves getting a background check. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #53

As it should! eom rdharma May 2013 #59

Are you looking for someone to disagree with you? AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #60

Huh? rdharma May 2013 #61

Unless I'm mistaken, AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #87

You're right. "As it should!" indicates an advocacy position. eom rdharma May 2013 #90

"don't know if medical practitioners/organizations are required ..." If a person is self-committed AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #52

If you don't know, maybe you should research it! rdharma May 2013 #64

I do know. I put quotation marks around the statement of the poster to whom I was responding. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #89

In states that currently have licensing for pistol ownership... Deep13 May 2013 #77

You'll never see those figures. rdharma May 2013 #80

Okay, I will assume then that licensing makes a big difference. nt Deep13 May 2013 #82

You don't need to assume........ rdharma May 2013 #85

Well, what are the facts? nt Deep13 May 2013 #98

That's the best he can do gejohnston May 2013 #102

I'm sure there is a very big difference gejohnston May 2013 #83

Yawn! rdharma May 2013 #95

let's see gejohnston May 2013 #99

No he's not! rdharma May 2013 #100

who said anything about Israel? gejohnston May 2013 #101

No. In RW gun nut circles Kleck is DaMan........ rdharma May 2013 #103

until they gejohnston May 2013 #104

No......... they've been tracked in Switzerland for a long time! rdharma May 2013 #105

the military weapons gejohnston May 2013 #106

No........ private purchases of non-military too! rdharma May 2013 #107

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #108

Simply reading an English translation? rdharma May 2013 #109

just a second gejohnston May 2013 #110

Your son reads German? rdharma May 2013 #112

reading it now. gejohnston May 2013 #115

What translates to "purchase certificate'? rdharma May 2013 #116

show me where it says gejohnston May 2013 #117

I don't see what the big deal is? legendleague3 May 2013 #97

A federal gun regulation bureacuracy? geek tragedy May 2013 #124

they have been since 1972 gejohnston May 2013 #125