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iiibbb

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11. Portland wasn't the time
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:14 AM
Feb 2013

I doubt any of us here can really conceive of a time when taking arms against the government would really be necessary because our votes still mean something.

In discounting armed resistance you discount 3 things.

1) If the citizens really took up a meaningful armed resistance against the government that they wouldn't have the backbone to die for a cause. Read the history leading up to the revolution. Some of our patriots died in the street at the hands of the British for verbal protests. The inability of the British to hold on the violence was one of the things that steeled citizens against the government. We presently don't have a government anywhere near that. We haven't seen it since Kent State.
2) You underestimate the effectiveness of an armed populace against an army. The military has great and sophisticated weapons they could turn against us, sure... but it's a numbers game. We outnumber them by a lot. Generally speaking in the Revolution 1/3rd of the populace were pro-British. 1/3rd were ambivalent. 1/3rd were revolutionaries. So if we got to the point that 1/3rd of the populace were in arms... that would be a handful for the powers that be no matter how sophisticated they are.
3) You assume the members of military would play along. How many in the US military would take arms against our own populace; how many would join a revolution and bring their toys/expertise with it?

Speaking of that, people mess up the lingo. We can't have any more "revolutions" since we're not under some other power. We can only have a civil war.


At any rate... the chances of that happening even in the current political climate is next to nothing.

Voting is still the right way to effect change in this government. The gun is the wrong choice not because it would be ineffective, but just because it would be wrong.

All good and well stated, but are those arguments relevant in a time of drones and massive JDPriestly Feb 2013 #1
We should always strive to work within the system while that is still an option... LAGC Feb 2013 #2
Seems to me that both are necessary. Glaug-Eldare Feb 2013 #3
That was an unusually insightful post here. (n/t) spin Feb 2013 #4
"I prefer having the tools of revolution in the hands of the people" - Just like the WOLVERINES!!! apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #5
Yes and no. Glaug-Eldare Feb 2013 #6
mousy tongue in charge jimmy the one Feb 2013 #8
I am not Nathan Hale, Glaug-Eldare Feb 2013 #19
Red Dawn......absurd?!!!!!! rdharma Feb 2013 #26
the area seemed to have logistical value gejohnston Feb 2013 #29
Portland wasn't the time iiibbb Feb 2013 #11
29 palms jimmy the one Feb 2013 #13
It's pure conjecture iiibbb Feb 2013 #14
Another argument based on the false beliefs bowens43 Feb 2013 #7
"from the left," indeed. See what H.H. Humphrey & E.V. Debs had to say. Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #23
The best "left" argument about gun control right now is that it is a right that enjoyed by "classes" iiibbb Feb 2013 #9
All progressives should support the 2A. ileus Feb 2013 #10
A successful revolt in a modern technological society is impossible. GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #12
Spark-gap iiibbb Feb 2013 #15
By todays standards a rifle on the wall is being stored unsafely. Remmah2 Feb 2013 #16
[sigh] Sad but true ....... oldhippie Feb 2013 #20
A few reflections. Straw Man Feb 2013 #17
actually 2/3 of gun deaths BainsBane Feb 2013 #25
are self hangings rope violence? gejohnston Feb 2013 #28
stop making sense Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #32
He's not even close BainsBane Feb 2013 #35
they count as well gejohnston Feb 2013 #36
there quite clearly is evidence BainsBane Feb 2013 #39
Actually gejohnston Feb 2013 #40
That is a complete lie BainsBane Feb 2013 #47
I said nothing about "industrialized world" gejohnston Feb 2013 #48
US gun dealers supply Mexican drug cartels with guns BainsBane Feb 2013 #49
actually, no. gejohnston Feb 2013 #50
non peer reviewed? BainsBane Feb 2013 #51
no reason? gejohnston Feb 2013 #52
Gun violence. Straw Man Feb 2013 #46
Figures don't lie, but liars figure. norge Feb 2013 #53
Telling quote holdencaufield Feb 2013 #18
ouch Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #22
One of Columbine killers discussed with his father their feelings re CCW... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #24
to me ... it is a like a subconscious cry for help ... as if they know they need to be stopped - Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #27
You're probably right. It is hard to believe (though not impossible) some FU'd teen is quite that Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #30
it isn't deliberate, I don't think, not at that point. at that point the kid is probably just Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #31
I recall that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #33
not only parents but, teachers, coaches, friends, guidance counselors, preachers, Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #34
While drawing circles... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #37
while this is true to a large extent, sometimes the parents, even when recoginzing the problem, Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #38
I understand... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #41
tough love for someone with schizoaffective disorder? I don't think that is the recommended Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #42
Of course not discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #43
? --- Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2013 #44
Circles discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #45
over all a good read littlewolf Feb 2013 #21
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