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rickford66

(5,498 posts)
62. well
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 04:32 PM
Feb 2013

How would they have gotten the guns? If they bought them "legally" with a background check there's not much any laws could do any good. If someone knowingly transfers ownership to them and the guns are identified, then the last registered owner gets prosecuted the same as the gang members. The only "legal" gun would be a registered gun. I don't know about you, but I'd never sell or transfer a gun to anyone else if registration is required. Perfect? No. Might it help? Yes. Would the fears of the gun nuts be reduced? Maybe for some. Maybe gun control advocates should try to pass a Constitutional Amendment stating that "a legally registered gun can never be taken from the legally registered owner".

mandate that doctors report drug addicts and dangerously psychotic individuals to the BATFE. bubbayugga Feb 2013 #1
And how would the 5th Amendment figure into your scheme? Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #123
5th amendment. LOL. bubbayugga Feb 2013 #134
this is what he was talking about gejohnston Feb 2013 #136
I am all about the fifth amendment in fact. bubbayugga Feb 2013 #137
So, doctors can (through their reports) effect an abrogation of 2A rights Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #139
Federal law prohibits these people from possessing firearms, not the doctors. bubbayugga Feb 2013 #144
Well, I thought I'd go through the motions & ask. Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #138
This message was self-deleted by its author gejohnston Feb 2013 #135
Magazine capacity limits would be my major one. n/t Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #2
given that there already millions of high cap magazines in circulation bubbayugga Feb 2013 #13
There are many therefore the answer is more? n/t Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #15
I'll ask again. bubbayugga Feb 2013 #18
How about starting somewhere? Thor_MN Feb 2013 #22
I'm not arguing to do nothing, you are. A magazine ban will do nothing. It's political bullshit. bubbayugga Feb 2013 #24
OK, you just proposed nothing about large capacity magazines. Thor_MN Feb 2013 #25
So in your plan... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #28
Good point. We should include a ban on remanufacture as well. Thor_MN Feb 2013 #84
So would that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #85
I can only assume that remanufacture holds no meaning for you Thor_MN Feb 2013 #89
I'm happy to do some for you as well. discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #90
They wouldn't if they were caught doing it. Thor_MN Feb 2013 #93
Possibly I misspoke. discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #95
Tell that to the families of people murdered by someone using large capacity magazines Thor_MN Feb 2013 #97
Many folks have... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #99
I don't see anything emmotional in banning large capacity magazines. Thor_MN Feb 2013 #107
I have a meaningful use iiibbb Feb 2013 #117
Personally, I wouldn't care if you had a grenade launcher if you were miles from anyone else. Thor_MN Feb 2013 #118
Training iiibbb Feb 2013 #119
Do you understand the difference between you and every freaking numbnuts that wans to shoot up Thor_MN Feb 2013 #129
do you? iiibbb Feb 2013 #131
I don't need to know. I'm not selling any firearms or accessories. Thor_MN Feb 2013 #132
From post 107/117 to here iiibbb Feb 2013 #133
Hmm, I never implied that you wanted them. Thor_MN Feb 2013 #143
I can accept that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #127
Yes, I do see people who would knee jerk decisions. Thor_MN Feb 2013 #130
OK, so maybe in 100 years your plan MAY have an effect. bubbayugga Feb 2013 #73
That is just ONE idea, and so what if it takes 100 years? Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2013 #76
In your plan, there's more and more large capacity magazines Thor_MN Feb 2013 #83
actually, since you started talking about your plan, the number of large capacity magazines bubbayugga Feb 2013 #96
I'm sorry Thor_MN Feb 2013 #98
How would your suggestions have changed the events at Sandy Hook? Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #64
Banning magazines in the wake of Sandy Hook bubbayugga Feb 2013 #74
Poor analogy. We were not attacked by Iraq on 911. People have been attacked with Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2013 #77
So your suggestions wouldn't have changed anything, right? Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #91
As a poster pointed out above, there are millions out there Warpy Feb 2013 #101
It would merely be one cog in the mighty wheel of a comprehensive reform package. nt Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #104
I don't think so. krispos42 Feb 2013 #140
Fair enough ... Straw Man Feb 2013 #3
"He murdered her and took it." rdharma Feb 2013 #16
Please don't put words in my mouth. Straw Man Feb 2013 #41
I would add trigger locks need to ship with all firearms so hopefully we can cut down on the Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #4
Trigger locks are actually rather dangerous. ManiacJoe Feb 2013 #5
Oh? Do tell. You have my attention. Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #6
Trigger Locks iiibbb Feb 2013 #9
That makes sense. So the cable lock goes into the barrel preventing loading and ultimately Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #11
Or down the magazine well, on a rifle you'd need an awfully long cable iiibbb Feb 2013 #14
Trigger locks or cable locks? rdharma Feb 2013 #17
Find out who they are and lock them up... iiibbb Feb 2013 #26
I think this is a more common way of using cable locks guardian Feb 2013 #43
Thanks for the redirect. That does seem like a better system. nt Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #12
I would require raidert05 Feb 2013 #32
the problem I have with liability insurance gejohnston Feb 2013 #7
the problem I have with liability insurance is that it is classist on its face rdharma Feb 2013 #19
So if I steal your car... and then use that car to abduct a child... iiibbb Feb 2013 #27
"So if I steal your car... and then use that car to abduct a child..." rdharma Feb 2013 #30
You're adding qualifiers.... iiibbb Feb 2013 #35
"I countered with a similar example of the car......" rdharma Feb 2013 #45
I don't make silly arguments about hammers and knives... iiibbb Feb 2013 #53
The problem I have with liability insurance kudzu22 Feb 2013 #120
Why don't we start with mental health and then ensure no guns in the vicinity? dkf Feb 2013 #8
Why don't we start with mental health and then ensure no guns in the vicinity? rdharma Feb 2013 #20
I had an idea about gun sniffing dogs but it was shot down as illegal search and seizure. dkf Feb 2013 #48
"Why don't we start with mental health and then ensure no guns in the vicinity?" rdharma Feb 2013 #46
How is liability insurance related to safety? iiibbb Feb 2013 #10
How is liability insurance related to safety? rdharma Feb 2013 #21
So insurance will stop criminals, suicides and mass killers? hack89 Feb 2013 #55
Why don't we start by enforcing the gun laws we already have? PuffedMica Feb 2013 #23
"Adding more law will not improve the enforcement of laws ......" rdharma Feb 2013 #31
In spite of it being illegal to buy a firearm if you fail your NICS check... and trying to buy one iiibbb Feb 2013 #37
"Why is no one ever prospected when they fail their NICS check?" rdharma Feb 2013 #38
damn you auto correct.. "prosecuted".. iiibbb Feb 2013 #42
Auto correct fail... but... maybe I should not have said "never"... maybe "rarely" would be better. iiibbb Feb 2013 #44
Thanks for the link....... rdharma Feb 2013 #49
I'm not refuting background checks... but it would also help if they actually enforced laws. iiibbb Feb 2013 #50
"100% background checks:" Can this be done at nat'l level given IC clause? Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #124
Just look to Canada. They are a realistic and workable country with... Walk away Feb 2013 #29
Parts of Canada's gun laws are quite sane and reasonable gejohnston Feb 2013 #34
Ah, the usual, laughable comparison to Mexico or Costa Rica. Walk away Feb 2013 #75
how is it laughable? gejohnston Feb 2013 #79
A few suggestions... jeepnstein Feb 2013 #33
I don't even use marijuana and I think it should be decriminalized/legalized. iiibbb Feb 2013 #36
"Make it's use (NICS background checks) mandatory in all cases but inheritance. rdharma Feb 2013 #40
Your best bet... jeepnstein Feb 2013 #52
Respectfully, "handed down" notions may be a problem regarding "bill of attainder" violations. Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #125
Tax rebate for purchase of a robust gun safe slackmaster Feb 2013 #39
Teach basic gun safety in public schools. rdharma Feb 2013 #51
Here's a few.... jmg257 Feb 2013 #47
Licensing... KansDem Feb 2013 #54
I would say renewable. New York has enacted this now for AWs and handguns. jmg257 Feb 2013 #56
How about this? guardian Feb 2013 #57
universal registration rickford66 Feb 2013 #58
it would provide jobs gejohnston Feb 2013 #59
Also rickford66 Feb 2013 #60
and what about drug gangs? gejohnston Feb 2013 #61
well rickford66 Feb 2013 #62
depends, usually stolen gejohnston Feb 2013 #63
well rickford66 Feb 2013 #65
not all gejohnston Feb 2013 #67
someone is STILL the last legal owner rickford66 Feb 2013 #69
I doubt they come straight from the manufacture gejohnston Feb 2013 #71
stolen guns? rickford66 Feb 2013 #66
reported stolen gejohnston Feb 2013 #68
Why don't you go work for the NRA ? rickford66 Feb 2013 #70
couldn't get along with Ted. gejohnston Feb 2013 #72
The majority come from straw buyers. Registration would nail those guys. rdharma Feb 2013 #82
registration might gejohnston Feb 2013 #86
how much clearer can I make this ? rickford66 Feb 2013 #87
Like I said before gejohnston Feb 2013 #88
sorry ... I was replying to 82 rickford66 Feb 2013 #100
rick, non-fatal friendly fire rdharma Feb 2013 #110
FORGET CURRENT LAW. rdharma Feb 2013 #92
not exactly gejohnston Feb 2013 #94
Riiiiiight! Prove it! rdharma Feb 2013 #102
leading up to FF gejohnston Feb 2013 #103
Why not ATF Form 4473 and 100% background checks on all gun sales. rdharma Feb 2013 #105
not at all, just if you are going to have a central registration, do it right gejohnston Feb 2013 #106
"I have never opposed NICS for private sales" rdharma Feb 2013 #108
try the search function for all past posts. gejohnston Feb 2013 #109
OK... I'll play...... rdharma Feb 2013 #111
theater that costs money and doesn't work as gejohnston Feb 2013 #112
The ROOT of the problem is responsible firearm ownership! rdharma Feb 2013 #113
actually I did gejohnston Feb 2013 #114
So speak! rdharma Feb 2013 #115
If you have read my posts as you claim, you would know gejohnston Feb 2013 #116
Good night! rdharma Feb 2013 #126
I think you'll find that the vast majority of straw purchasers kudzu22 Feb 2013 #141
But if you ask an antigunner they will say guardian Feb 2013 #142
I recommend a cap on the end of a barrel, that lets the gasses out the sides.... but stops the 2on2u Feb 2013 #78
just follow the safety rules gejohnston Feb 2013 #80
This feller followed the safety rules.... made sure it was loaded and then the barrel 2on2u Feb 2013 #81
He's lucky someone wasn't killed or injured. iiibbb Feb 2013 #122
Sounds like a recipe for a blown up gun kudzu22 Feb 2013 #121
backdoor gun control iiibbb Feb 2013 #128
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