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Response to jimmy the one (Reply #78)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:16 AM

79. What would have happened without Hitler is very speculative

There were others who wanted to start killing Jews even earlier in his organization, and others who in the early stages also had charisma and organizational skills. It was not only Hitler who was capable of coming to power at the head of the Nazis.

I would advise you to look at the breakdown of the different forms of anti-semitism in Germany, and how deep it went, and the breadth. What is true is that the other groups might not have been included.

The primary generating force for the camps being turned into death camps was the failure of the early plans to send the Jews to other locations outside of Germany, including possibly Madagascar. Interestingly, they had considered Palestine as one of those destinations, now Israel.

Germany made the change to the 1938 gun control laws AFTER a Jew killed a Nazi, specifically making it clear at the time that he did that killing because of the Nazi policies, and after Kristallnacht. Hitler had made many comments about wanting Jews OUT of Germany, and out of Europe, entirely; that was not only his goal, it was the desire of other European countries that were trying to drive the Jews out, like Poland, from which many Jews DID emigrate prior to 1938.

I think the argument can fairly be made that it was more the combination of external circumstances that permitted Hitler to come to power, and that those circumstances, pressures and influences would have enabled someone else to do so in Hitler's absence. Don't forget that the 'Night of the Long knives' killed Nazi leaders like Strosser, the Nazi founder. Hitler didn't found the Nazis. It had other leaders.

Given how many assassination attempts there were on Hitler over the years, the notion that Jews having guns of course would have magically made the difference in a successful assassination is so highly improbable as to be unworthy of serious consideration.

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