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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #35)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:58 PM

43. Cite?

It has been used often enough OTHER than as a parlor trick, however much you want it to be so.

Just to clarify, are you claiming that bump-fire has been used in mass shootings? I have never heard this, and would like to see your source for this information.

Clearly there are ways to rapid fire a large quantity of ammo with relative accuracy, but arguably as with any spray fire, it is intended for use against multiple targets very different from either target shooting or say sniper fire.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Against a roomful of defenseless targets at close range, semi-auto fire will be devastating. There will be a target almost everywhere the shooter looks. Precision aiming using the sights is not necessary because of the extremely short ranges. This is what military trainers used to call "point-shooting" -- you point and you shoot. (I'm sorry for the clinical description of what was a horrific nightmare, but that is the relevant terminology.) However, it is not indiscriminate; targets are selected. Aimed fire will hit more targets than un-aimed fire.

It appears that Adam Lanza engaged in spray fire, so I believe your assumptions about it are mistaken and factually inaccurate.

Again, the term "spray fire" is undefined. Do you mean full-auto bump-fire? I have not heard any suggestion that this is what he used, and I very much doubt that he did. If he had, chances are that more would have survived: his accuracy would have been worse, and he would have expended his stock of ammunition much sooner. The greatest likelihood is that he used rapid point-shooting. Is this what you mean by "spray fire"?

The military uses full-auto mostly for what they call "suppressive fire." The tactic is to fill the air with flying bullets in order to inhibit enemy movement by making them seek cover. Full-auto fire is inherently inaccurate, and bump-fire even more so. Furthermore, regular semi-auto cannot even come close to full-auto rates of fire.

You might want to look at the criminal studies on the use of assault style weapons as they are used in crimes as well.

I know that rifles -- including the subset "assault weapons" -- accounted for less than 3% of all murders in 2011, fewer than fists, hands, and feet. But if you have some relevant studies to suggest, I'd be happy ro read them.

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