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Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:05 AM

3. israeli suicide

article link: The toll comes despite what the military touts as extensive support and counseling programs.
tues aft (to article in general): doesn't this give conclusive, albeit anecdotal evidence to the fact that it is the Mental Health System in our country that needs overhauling re: Israel.

this was posted recently by someone: Iíve read about suicide in Israel, and itís striking there, because thereís an age discrepancy. Between ages 18 and 21, when people are in the army and have access to guns, firearm suicide is very common. At other ages, strangulation is very common. So it does seem to suggest that people commit suicide with what they have access to even in the same society.
...your paper is your recounting of the Israeli militaryís effort to cut suicides among soldiers by restricting access to guns.
..JR: Yes, itís very striking. In Israel, it used to be that all soldiers would take the guns home with them. Now they have to leave them on base.. thereís been a 60% decrease in suicide on weekends among IDS soldiers. And it did not correspond to an increase in weekday suicide. People think suicide is an impulse that exists and builds. This shows that doesnít happen. The impulse to suicide is transitory. Someone with access to a gun at that moment may commit suicide, but if not, they may not.
.. in Israel, theyíre very limited in who is able to own a gun. There are only a few tens of thousands of legal guns in Israel, and the only people allowed to own them legally live in the settlements, do business in the settlements, or are in professions at risk of violence.
Both countries require you to have a reason to have a gun. There isnít this idea that you have a right to a gun. You need a reason. And then you need to go back to the permitting authority every six months or so to assure them the reason is still valid.
The second thing is that thereís this widespread misunderstanding that Israel and Switzerland promote gun ownership. They donít. Ten years ago, when Israel had the outbreak of violence, there was an expansion of gun ownership, but only to people above a certain rank in the military. There was no sense that having ordinary citizens would make anything safer.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/mythbusting-israel-and-switzerland-are-not-gun-toting-utopias/

tues aft: doesn't this give conclusive, albeit anecdotal evidence to the fact that it is the Mental Health System in our country that needs overhauling re: Israel.






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