Gun Control & RKBA

Glaug-Eldare

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28. So, do you want me drilling?

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:16 PM

Jan 2013

Would you prefer that we have guns and military training? Remember that taking away privately-held arms isn't really an option, per Miller, Heller, &c.

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2A and "Infringement" [View all] tortoise1956 Jan 2013 OP

I think we're about to find out just what is and isn't considered infringement bubbayugga Jan 2013 #1

most accurate description I have seen. gejohnston Jan 2013 #2

How about a different tact? rightsideout Jan 2013 #3

Well-regulated doesn't mean controlled by government regulations in this clause... tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #4

If the governments weren't regulating the militias, who was? nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #9

They generally regulated themselves. Clames Jan 2013 #21

Not really. That is what musters were for...training under the authority of the state, jmg257 Jan 2013 #23

So, do you want me drilling? Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #28

Sure why not? That is why the right was secured after all. The Guard jmg257 Jan 2013 #31

What does the Guard have to do with anything? Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #49

I'm talking about the well regulated Militia - the reason for the 2nd amendment. jmg257 Jan 2013 #51

Ummmm....wrong. Clames Jan 2013 #32

Surely....And THAT is why the Constitution and the federal Militia Acts jmg257 Jan 2013 #38

The meaning of "well-regulated" was different tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #24

Again...someone was doing all that regulating...the militias were trained by jmg257 Jan 2013 #25

Yep, that would do it tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #27

Not really. The debates from those assembled when coming up with the 2nd had VERY jmg257 Jan 2013 #30

It seems the debates are singularly unhelpful on this subject tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #33

There are numerous mentions of 'personal rights' in letters (Ames I think), and jmg257 Jan 2013 #40

"Well regulated" means whatever the Supreme Court says it means. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #26

more harsh than some countries gejohnston Jan 2013 #5

My take Berserker Jan 2013 #6

Not the point of this post tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #7

Not sure I Berserker Jan 2013 #10

Gotcha - sorry about that! tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #14

Yes Berserker Jan 2013 #19

I learned to debate, not argue tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #22

multi-prong approach required iiibbb Jan 2013 #8

Interesting approach, but still off topic tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #11

okay iiibbb Jan 2013 #15

I'm curious... tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #17

I'm just going by "shall not be infringed" iiibbb Jan 2013 #34

8) citizen access to background checks free of charge Berserker Jan 2013 #13

May be worthwhile to review the "common use" standard Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #12

By this standard, tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #16

Well, I'm no Constitutional scholar, and setting aside whether I like any of those things petronius Jan 2013 #18

I agree on infringement... tortoise1956 Jan 2013 #20

Whether it's long-standing law or not doesn't mean much Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #29

You're right of course - I was assuming that challenges would have arisen by petronius Jan 2013 #35

3 might survive, Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #36

I think #4 would help prevent straw purchases iiibbb Jan 2013 #53

When considering the original intent of the 2A and what actions may or my not run afoul... OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #37

A couple things... jmg257 Jan 2013 #41

Sorry for the misunderstanding. When I said the phrase "bearing arms" was vauge I was referring to OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #44

Cheers - my apologies then on my long-winded reply! nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #46

there 'were' standing armies jimmy the one Jan 2013 #47

On the militias and the people's role in them.. jmg257 Jan 2013 #42

miller 1939 a militia based interpretation jimmy the one Jan 2013 #39

you buy a gun, you just signed up for the militia. Report for duty. lastlib Jan 2013 #43

No need to even buy the gun. People of military fighting age are ALREADY ascribed to the militia. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #45

old time militias & war of 1812 jimmy the one Jan 2013 #48

When has "well-regulated" ever been a litmus test? Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #50

good basis for a discussion samsingh Jan 2013 #52