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friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
85. Tsk. You were doing quite well, right up until *this* clanger:
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:53 PM
Jan 2013
Michael Bellisiles book 'Arming America' is a fine history, closer to the truth than the 2ndA mythology.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arming_America


Emory investigation and resignation

As criticism grew and charges of scholarly misconduct were made, Emory University conducted an internal inquiry into Bellesiles's integrity, appointing an independent investigative committee composed of three leading academic historians from outside Emory.[18] Bellesiles failed to provide investigators with his research notes, claiming the notes were destroyed in a flood.[19]

The scholarly investigation confirmed that Bellesiles's work had serious flaws, calling into question both its quality and veracity. The external report on Bellesiles concluded that "every aspect of his work in the probate records is deeply flawed" and called his statements in self-defense "prolix, confusing, evasive, and occasionally contradictory." It concluded that "his scholarly integrity is seriously in question."[20]

Bellesiles disputed these findings, claiming to have followed all scholarly standards and to have corrected all errors of fact known to him. Nevertheless, with his "reputation in tatters," Bellesiles issued a statement on October 25, 2002, announcing the resignation of his professorship at Emory by year's end.[21]
Aftermath of the scandal

In 2002, the trustees of Columbia University rescinded Arming America's Bancroft Prize, the first such action in the history of the prize. Alfred A. Knopf, publisher of Arming America, did not renew Bellesiles's contract, and the National Endowment for the Humanities withdrew its name from a fellowship that the Newberry Library had granted Bellesiles.[22] In 2003, Arming America was republished in a revised and amended edition by Soft Skull Press. Bellesiles continued to defend the book's credibility and thesis, arguing that roughly three-quarters of the original book remained unchallenged.[23]


http://www.emory.edu/news/Releases//Final_Report.pdf


http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/08/books/08GUNS.html?scp=3&sq=bellesiles&st=cse&pagewanted=all


... He has said from the start that he took notes on the thousands of colonial-era probate records with tick marks in pencil on yellow legal pads. That fact alone was surprising to many of his fellow historians, who tend to use a database when working with such large amounts of information.

Almost all of those notebooks were destroyed when his office at Emory was flooded in May 2000, Mr. Bellesiles said.

James Lindgren, a professor at Northwestern University Law School and by far the most thorough of Mr. Bellesiles's critics, asked him last year where he had done his research on probate records. Mr. Bellesiles responded with a number of locations, including the San Francisco Superior Court, where he said he had found probate records from the 1850's.

Mr. Lindgren, who has done extensive work in probate data, called the courthouse and was told that all the records for that decade were destroyed in the 1906 earthquake and fire. They were not available in two other Bay Area libraries, either. Mr. Bellesiles now says he must have done the research somewhere else and cannot remember where.

Linky Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #1
I predict a huge increase in sales of reloading equipment and ammunition components slackmaster Jan 2013 #2
That horse is out of the barn ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #4
The gun nuts can barely scratch their own ass Politicub Jan 2013 #5
Well, that post certainly "removed all doubt". ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #6
The words 'sharpest tool' and 'shed' come to mind, also... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #13
Most of them are smart enough to drive a car across the nearest state line... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #10
Make that illegal, like fireworks purchases. n/t godai Jan 2013 #76
No state that sells fireworks requires proof of residency, AFAIK. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #83
Seems like you missed my point. godai Jan 2013 #99
California has a couple of thousand miles of borders...good luck with that. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #101
A couple dozen stings, with major fines, would slow things down. godai Jan 2013 #102
Arizona and Nevada will cooperate with stings? I think not... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #103
Some examples where this has worked. godai Jan 2013 #104
The cigarettes, gejohnston Jan 2013 #105
It was a tax issue for cigarettes. n/t godai Jan 2013 #107
dup godai Jan 2013 #108
Put teeth in the law and put law breakers in jail. nt. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #78
How? It's unenforceable outside of California, and doubtfully enforceable inside it. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #82
truly the term nuts is what had the wherewithall to slaughter innocent victims at Sandy Hook and Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #17
I don't know who Lee is, but my apologies for making him stagger Politicub Jan 2013 #20
I am not surprised. and if you meant it sincerely then I will accept your apology on behalf Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #21
Very apropos. Politicub Jan 2013 #22
gracias Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #23
Literally millions of people do precisely that. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #36
It's not difficult at all and can be done quite cheaply. formercia Jan 2013 #53
I predict in increase in hospital visit due to mis loaded ammunition. Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #8
That would be a classic negative unintended consequence of a bad bill written with good intentions slackmaster Jan 2013 #9
No, that is simple Darwinism. Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Jan 2013 #12
So true. n/t godai Jan 2013 #77
As long as they don't put gun powder in the microwave Politicub Jan 2013 #19
I'd let someone see my operators before buying ammo. ileus Jan 2013 #3
Nancy Skinner is a blithering idiot, and proved it with her own words: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #7
I have hundreds of unspent rounds ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #15
she's not an idiot - she's compassionate - trying to stop tragedies samsingh Jan 2013 #26
Someone can be both well-meaning and stupid. Rep. Skinner is such a person. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #27
what makes anyone think it wouldn't reduce tragedies? samsingh Jan 2013 #38
For reasons... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #40
yet in other cases it was proven that the shooter ran out of bullets and was samsingh Jan 2013 #46
"Changing his clip" Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #47
he ran out of bullets and put another clip into the gun samsingh Jan 2013 #56
So what effect would this legislation... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #58
what would you suggest? samsingh Jan 2013 #66
Thorough... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #68
who pays for the medical care? and what do we do we the people who refuse to get help? samsingh Jan 2013 #69
Good questions: Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #73
legislation that will make it more difficult to get guns, ammunication, or equipment that shoots samsingh Jan 2013 #79
JL's gun jammed gejohnston Jan 2013 #49
Samuel Johnson did not coin the phrase "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions" slackmaster Jan 2013 #35
ironically, gun supporters fall into that category samsingh Jan 2013 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Jan 2013 #41
Piers asked a simple question - how many people were killed in the UK with guns? samsingh Jan 2013 #45
not a simple answer gejohnston Jan 2013 #48
it was an intelligent question if someone wants to really know the answer about guns samsingh Jan 2013 #57
all of our murders combined gejohnston Jan 2013 #59
that'a large discrepancy don't you think? samsingh Jan 2013 #65
depends how UK reports them gejohnston Jan 2013 #67
but if i look at the data without conjective. The UK has fewer gun related deaths than the US samsingh Jan 2013 #70
in the US it is criminals killing each other for the most part gejohnston Jan 2013 #71
the basic message though is the difference in gun deaths. Your analysis may be correct or it might samsingh Jan 2013 #80
yes but that difference preceded gejohnston Jan 2013 #81
The UK is much more violent DragonBorn Jan 2013 #100
i don't know very many people who would say that the UK is more samsingh Jan 2013 #106
Hundreds of rounds is a stockpile? GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #28
I'm up to a 5 figure range michreject Jan 2013 #32
250 rounds of 12 gauge in a weekend trap shoot is a regular. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #34
hundreds of rounds = one afternoon of target practice guardian Jan 2013 #42
I just don't see it... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #14
Lots of extra $$$ for gun shops in Nevada, Arizona, and Oregon,... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #16
perhaps it should be easier to purchase Pseudoephedrine and convict the criminals that are misusing Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #18
No, that would make sense slackmaster Jan 2013 #24
damn it. I will just have to try harder - remind me to take my stupid pill in the morning? thanks. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #25
putting words in her mouth jimmy the one Jan 2013 #29
Sooo..... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #37
Crickets Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #43
It could be circumvented by one road trip out of state. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #50
Yes it can.... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #51
Gun shop owners in Nevada, Oregon, and Arizona will be most grateful.... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #52
What? AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #63
from the movie gejohnston Jan 2013 #64
Just curious... Bay Boy Jan 2013 #88
Oh, this is absurd. What is this bill supposed to prevent? OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #30
It's not meant to prevent ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #31
I have 2 Dillons set up michreject Jan 2013 #33
Floor cave-ins on the apartment below. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #44
"before it becomes an infringement of 2nd Amendment" bowens43 Jan 2013 #54
A tax on printer's ink was held to infringe on the First Amendment friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #55
another PT Barnum (2) jimmy the one Jan 2013 #60
hard to come by? gejohnston Jan 2013 #61
Again... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #62
Beware what you advocate, lest it come to pass: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #72
Arming a disarmed america jimmy the one Jan 2013 #74
you didn't read the scandal gejohnston Jan 2013 #75
bellesiles (pr'd bell isles) jimmy the one Jan 2013 #84
Belleisles is a known fraud, and resigned his professorship after being found out friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #86
a committee of independent scholars gejohnston Jan 2013 #87
Tsk. You were doing quite well, right up until *this* clanger: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #85
John Lott vs Michael Bellesiles pt 1 jimmy the one Jan 2013 #89
so? gejohnston Jan 2013 #90
Yeaah, about that; "Pulped" Fiction: Michael Bellesiles and His Yellow Note Pads friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #91
will the real mary rosh, please stand up? jimmy the one Jan 2013 #92
What are you on about? No one here has supported Lott. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #93
friendly_iconoclast there you go again, using facts to spoil a rant. nt jody Jan 2013 #95
This thread cries out for bookmarking, and I've done so. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #97
Augean Stable is full again. nt jody Jan 2013 #98
Bowdon Hall flood at emory jimmy the one Jan 2013 #94
...happened while Bellesisles was there- and he lied about it. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #96
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