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jimmy the one

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12. Bogus Quote from Ashgrey, & one altered?
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:17 PM
Jan 2013

ashgrey falsely quotes jefferson: "Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not." Thomas Jefferson

Bogus Quote, Jefferson never said that. The official thomas jefferson website, monticello.org says so:

Earliest known appearance in print: No appearances in print found. [1]
Earliest known appearance in print, attributed to Thomas Jefferson: See above.
Other attributions: None known.
Status: We have not found any evidence that Thomas Jefferson said or wrote, "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/spurious-quotations

Ashgrey quotes, or misquotes?, thomas paine: "The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them." Thomas Paine

madison link puts it this way: "The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside... Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them...."

"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property...Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them." (Thomas Paine, Thoughts On Defensive War, 1775)
http://www.madisonbrigade.com/t_paine.htm

Thomas Paine was speaking of defensive war, and the benefits of arming the 'law abiding' militia. Somebody in charge of the 2nd Amendment mythology bible evidently switched 'law abiding' for 'half the world', since it makes it sound like paine was speaking more about individuals rather than militias.

Why the fuck should it be legal bunnies Jan 2013 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #3
I don't know crazyrayray Jan 2013 #4
would jefferson approve? jimmy the one Jan 2013 #5
Funny that you ignored this part. Ashgrey77 Jan 2013 #10
Many protests ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #6
protest, or exercising a right? jimmy the one Jan 2013 #7
"you wouldn't mind if people started walking about your neighborhood open carrying assault rifles?" holdencaufield Jan 2013 #9
Old news. Join the existing thread here: ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #2
IMO, the states can regulate the means of carry... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #8
boldness to the mind jimmy the one Jan 2013 #11
Bogus Quote from Ashgrey, & one altered? jimmy the one Jan 2013 #12
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