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merrily

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56. Was his sexuality (or alleged sexuality) relevant to the plot?
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:22 AM
Nov 2012

The movie is based upon Doris Kearns' Goodwin's historical account of a certain time period in Lincoln's life, so if she did not cover it in her book, it would not be in the movie.

I don't know about Goodwin, but his co-author, Kushner, is an out gay man and Speilberg is liberal, so I don't think there was any agenda involved in omitting mention of the possibility that Lincoln was gay or bisexual.


IMO, it will be a good day for everyone when mentioning the orientation of a gay person is not expected as a matter of routine. If a movie is about the conflict Lincoln may have suffered because of his sexuality, then sure, his orientation would be relevant. If it's about getting the 13th amendment passed and Lincoln was not fucking Lee, then maybe Lincoln's sexuality is not relevant to the plot?

IMO, it will be a good day when we don't feel compelled to reference the sexuality of every person who is gay or transgendered, anymore than we reference heterosexuality every time we name a person who is heterosexual (as far as we know, anyway).

Lincoln Movie Ignores His Gay Proclivites [View all] fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 OP
he was "lighthearted and carefree?" hmmm nt msongs Nov 2012 #1
Indeed fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #9
Read this: Cooley Hurd Nov 2012 #2
First Sentence fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #3
every bit of it. Cooley Hurd Nov 2012 #4
Nah fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #5
I never said it was. Cooley Hurd Nov 2012 #8
Agenda? fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #11
It's YOUR agenda. Why did you post conjecture as fact in your OP? Cooley Hurd Nov 2012 #13
Nice Deflect fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #14
Nice projection Cooley Hurd Nov 2012 #17
You Say fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #19
I never even came close to saying you have a 'gay agenda'. Cooley Hurd Nov 2012 #22
Interesting Choice of Words fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #26
Why would your admiration increase? Cooley Hurd Nov 2012 #28
Hung Up? fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #32
Right fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #18
It was YOUR OP. You used the alleged sexuality of Lincoln to make whatever point... Cooley Hurd Nov 2012 #20
Agenda? fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #21
You DO realize the definition of the word "agenda" don't you? Cooley Hurd Nov 2012 #23
Question Remains fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #24
Facts. Cooley Hurd Nov 2012 #25
Facts? fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #27
He was married to a woman and had children... Cooley Hurd Nov 2012 #29
Well ...we now know what team you play for! fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #30
Oh... "I have gay friends..." Cooley Hurd Nov 2012 #33
Difference Of Course is fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #35
Even a man who is homosexual, not bisexual, can have children with a woman. merrily Nov 2012 #55
On Edit fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #37
Being married to a woman and having children by her does not make anyone heterosexual, merrily Nov 2012 #54
By dictionary definition (which i was referring to) it does... Cooley Hurd Nov 2012 #60
LOL fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #61
Tony Kushner deals in established facts. He's a gay man and author of the play Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #6
Or Money fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #7
Yeah. Sure that's it. Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #15
See First Post fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #16
No, being gay is not cynical, silly, what is cynical is making shitty comments about Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #44
Character Assasination? fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #48
I've Read Quite A Bit About Lincoln Caroline-Vivienne Nov 2012 #10
Fair Enough fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #12
The Movie Was Correct to Ignore Them Given Lack of Definitive Proof Indykatie Nov 2012 #31
Right fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #34
pins and needles, a gay expression? Kali Nov 2012 #38
Ok fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #39
the same two things it means to just about anybody Kali Nov 2012 #40
Different Meaning in Gay Lexicon fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #41
got a cite for that? Kali Nov 2012 #42
Queen's Venacular fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #46
ok I am crazy but I just ordered it = 20 + shipping off amazon Kali Nov 2012 #50
It's an Incredible Buy fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #51
The Scarecrow was the "gay icon"? My research shows more the Cowardly Lion. Pins&needles= intellect uppityperson Nov 2012 #43
Dictionary? fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #45
No use of dictionary there. Try to keep up. uppityperson Nov 2012 #47
Yawn fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #49
TBS Has the Wizard of Oz on Now fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #52
Have You Seen the Movie? fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #36
not a biography forest4qt Nov 2012 #53
Ahhm fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #57
Was his sexuality (or alleged sexuality) relevant to the plot? merrily Nov 2012 #56
Ok fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #58
exactly! Cooley Hurd Nov 2012 #59
see Post 58 fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #62
Proclivities implies a negative connotation. You are saying being gay is something bad. stevenleser Nov 2012 #63
Nah fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #64
Every usage I have seen has been the negative connotation variety. I doubt you did that accidentally stevenleser Nov 2012 #65
Every Use? fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #66
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