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Thu Feb 9, 2012, 11:56 AM

seabeyond (85,893 posts)

144. yes. it is. that is why i didnt use it. and then i did research on spade for spade because of

conversations on du. there is NO connection between the racist and a shovel.

that is fact

i have also said repeatedly on du that i wont use that term because some people are confused on the issue. out of respect. kinda gal i am.

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189 replies	Author	Time	Post
group host / statement of purpose [View all]	iverglas	Jan 2012	OP
sounds good to me. nt	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#1
ahem	iverglas	Jan 2012	#2
I answer myself	iverglas	Jan 2012	#3
Sounds good to me!	redqueen	Jan 2012	#4
This message was self-deleted by its author	Bunny	Jan 2012	#5
true, no need for limits ;)	iverglas	Jan 2012	#6
I object to limiting discussion to just today. There are many DUers who don't visit forums daily,	Gormy Cuss	Jan 2012	#7
sorry, I didn't mean!	iverglas	Jan 2012	#8
Then may we please start over with just a discussion of the SoP and try to get consensus on that?	Gormy Cuss	Jan 2012	#10
I agree that a discussion of the SoP is a good idea.	redqueen	Jan 2012	#13
To be honest, I read it the same way initially.	Gormy Cuss	Jan 2012	#24
again ...	iverglas	Jan 2012	#15
I for one agree with you completely.	redqueen	Jan 2012	#17
I've been around this group for a very long time and I've seen many serious disputes	Gormy Cuss	Jan 2012	#22
how would you suggest the phrasing to be more inclusive? on edit... i also	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#25
It either needs to explicitly limit the statement to discussing those things outside of a feminist	Gormy Cuss	Jan 2012	#27
I can't agree	iverglas	Jan 2012	#29
This reminds me of "bitch" wars in GD.	Gormy Cuss	Jan 2012	#31
it had already reminded me of the "douchebag" war	iverglas	Jan 2012	#38
Wow.	redqueen	Jan 2012	#48
i think you should be the main host	La Lioness Priyanka	Jan 2012	#32
The year should probably be updated there. The statement says 2005. :)	Starry Messenger	Jan 2012	#9
heh heh	iverglas	Jan 2012	#11
I really like this:	Starry Messenger	Jan 2012	#16
agreed	La Lioness Priyanka	Jan 2012	#35
I've tried to respond to comments about	iverglas	Jan 2012	#12
Oops! I posted before I saw your answer to GormyCuss.	Starry Messenger	Jan 2012	#14
maybe simple is best!	iverglas	Jan 2012	#18
I think that is really thoughtful and good.	Starry Messenger	Jan 2012	#19
ah, third wave	iverglas	Jan 2012	#21
statement of purpose - thoughts?	iverglas	Jan 2012	#20
I like the rephrasing of the porn/prude bullet n/t	Gormy Cuss	Jan 2012	#23
I find it problematic, perhaps in the extreme	Remember Me	Feb 2012	#181
I would update the year from 2005 to 2012, to reflect the move to DU3.	ZombieHorde	Jan 2012	#26
check post 20	iverglas	Jan 2012	#28
i am not comfortable with this statement of purpose	La Lioness Priyanka	Jan 2012	#30
any chance of you answering direct questions?	iverglas	Jan 2012	#33
ofcourse i am speaking as a feminist	La Lioness Priyanka	Jan 2012	#34
you got it	iverglas	Jan 2012	#36
are you lgbtq? if so you get to decide who is and who is not a homophobe	La Lioness Priyanka	Jan 2012	#37
you almost seem to take my point (edited)	iverglas	Jan 2012	#39
actually i do think its gender not sex. transwomen for instance, imo belong to the feminist movement	La Lioness Priyanka	Jan 2012	#41
On the divvying up and labelling of women...	Violet_Crumble	Jan 2012	#40
because sometimes straight women want things that queer women	La Lioness Priyanka	Jan 2012	#42
let's stop beating around the bush	iverglas	Jan 2012	#43
i have yet to see why you get to define feminism and i don't	La Lioness Priyanka	Jan 2012	#44
I have yet to see where I said I did (edited)	iverglas	Jan 2012	#45
you came into this thread of over 300 posts and made ONE. one post. on mine. it was a jab and you	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#46
not everything is about you and your feelings	La Lioness Priyanka	Jan 2012	#55
thank you so much for taking the time to clear that up for me. nt	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#58
Nol but a direct question about attacks YOU made to HER most certainly IS	Remember Me	Feb 2012	#182
yes, my vacation is a priority over an internet argument.	La Lioness Priyanka	Feb 2012	#185
seabeyond, please tell me why you referenced me in that post	Gormy Cuss	Jan 2012	#65
#30. i want gormycuss as main host	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#67
Thanks, I missed those.	Gormy Cuss	Jan 2012	#73
but nothing else. there is nothing else to say about that post?	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#74
What things? That's what I'm not understanding...	Violet_Crumble	Jan 2012	#109
I want seabeyond to be a co-hostess	JustAnotherGen	Jan 2012	#47
you wanna be one too? ;)	iverglas	Jan 2012	#49
I can't be one	JustAnotherGen	Jan 2012	#50
snork	iverglas	Jan 2012	#53
I would like to say "amen" to your fifth paragraph. (nt)	redqueen	Jan 2012	#51
I agree. I think it's the crux of what this group is about.	CrispyQ	Jan 2012	#108
i was having a blast at the dinner table tonight talking about all the many groups	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#110
Me too	Remember Me	Feb 2012	#183
As a lesbian and someone who considers herself a feminist, I have a comment on all this back & forth	justiceischeap	Jan 2012	#52
You can't put the definition of feminism in a box ... but it seems like some can with people	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#54
Now I don't know if I'm getting your point	justiceischeap	Jan 2012	#56
ok. thanks. nt	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#60
You can have an opinion and state it whenever you wish	Lisa D	Jan 2012	#57
i have never expected, nor would i ever expect 100% agreement. nt	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#59
I think it is a matter of acknowledging whatever privilege one might bear in a conversation or	Starry Messenger	Jan 2012	#62
Perfectly stated.	Lisa D	Jan 2012	#66
find one post, ONE post i have not worked at, struggled with to hear the other side. ONE.	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#69
I'm sorry, but I was not criticizing you in any way.	Lisa D	Jan 2012	#71
but we are not demanding the same. it CAN NOT be just one sided. we cannot say we are putting in	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#72
Why are people picking sides?	Lisa D	Jan 2012	#79
that is the point. the whole point i have been arguing from post ONE. sides. we have the GD sides	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#82
why are people picking sides??	iverglas	Jan 2012	#102
I'm not sure why you felt	Lisa D	Jan 2012	#104
uh	iverglas	Jan 2012	#106
I'm not dismissing your concerns.	Lisa D	Jan 2012	#107
and i KNOW why you felt people were picking sides. and i know you are trying your best to be	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#105
Taking things too personally --	Remember Me	Feb 2012	#184
of course that is a factor. nor have i ever denied any of that nor been unwilling to discuss.	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#68
I am also speaking globally as a reply in the subthread to justiceischeap's post.	Starry Messenger	Jan 2012	#75
so... because i am a middle aged women i should readily accept i am a prude, anti sex, asexual,	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#76
so, not only do i have to listen to all these demeaning comments over and over and over from the men	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#78
Was justiceischeap saying any of those things in her post?	Starry Messenger	Jan 2012	#81
Is there something that can be done to amend that going forward?	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#85
I don't see the with us or against us.	Starry Messenger	Jan 2012	#89
i ahve asked a couple times how it needs to be worded. i dont care. i havent heard anyone put a	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#91
sorry, but you just do not know the history	iverglas	Jan 2012	#103
You are not a prude, not anti-sex, and not asexual, etc.	Lisa D	Jan 2012	#83
thank you for talking to me like a person, instead of a caricature. i think that is what i was	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#86
as the person who posted this in the thread where I was attacked	iverglas	Jan 2012	#61
Okay then. Let me be the first.	Gormy Cuss	Jan 2012	#63
gormy? can you find any posts where this other side (since i have been put on a side i dont want)	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#70
seabeyond, I've argued repeatedly over the first bullet point because I believe it was and is	Gormy Cuss	Jan 2012	#77
what you're hearing ...	iverglas	Jan 2012	#88
What you're hearing is not what was said.	Gormy Cuss	Jan 2012	#93
let's not be disingenuous	iverglas	Jan 2012	#101
i ahev to agree with iverglas. you guys are saying that lioness has issues. i dont get what they	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#90
Thank you for getting what I was saying.	justiceischeap	Jan 2012	#95
how do you want it worded so you are comfortable with you. i want your whole body in, not just a	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#96
I posted it in the thread you started.	justiceischeap	Jan 2012	#97
uh huh	iverglas	Jan 2012	#84
Question	Lisa D	Jan 2012	#64
me personally	iverglas	Jan 2012	#92
Thank you for your answer.	Lisa D	Jan 2012	#94
It seems you're angry with me	justiceischeap	Jan 2012	#80
there we go	iverglas	Jan 2012	#98
"I am simply one of many who has had too much of being attacked, and not engaged."	justiceischeap	Jan 2012	#99
Please don't leave.	Lisa D	Jan 2012	#100
thank you for writing out what i was too busy too	La Lioness Priyanka	Jan 2012	#111
do we need to start fresh with a new thread and put this one behind. someone type the SOP,	seabeyond	Jan 2012	#87
there are some who need to spend an hour reading this thread	iverglas	Feb 2012	#112
oops! look what my mailbox gave me as I posted that last	iverglas	Feb 2012	#113
This isn't helping things...	Violet_Crumble	Feb 2012	#114
really? then how about this one?	iverglas	Feb 2012	#115
unbelievable; beyond belief	iverglas	Feb 2012	#116
Where is this "let's all get along spirit"? How ironic you've forgotten what thread this is.	CreekDog	Feb 2012	#117
Are you serious? I use the phrase 'to call a spade a spade' all the time...	Violet_Crumble	Feb 2012	#118
I'm damned if I can find it now	iverglas	Feb 2012	#121
Is it that important to you to use the phrase "call a spade a spade"?	CreekDog	Feb 2012	#131
there is NO racial connotation in the term. YOU are creating one. but that is not the facts. nt	seabeyond	Feb 2012	#134
Actually spade is a racist slur used against black people.	tammywammy	Feb 2012	#141
And "to call a spade a spade" has nothing to do with that usage.	redqueen	Feb 2012	#142
I've updated my post.	tammywammy	Feb 2012	#148
One person.	redqueen	Feb 2012	#153
There was a much longer thread years ago on the phrase	tammywammy	Feb 2012	#155
I don't think it's racist the way she said it, either...	redqueen	Feb 2012	#156
I will also say that	tammywammy	Feb 2012	#160
tar baby is and has always been, hands down, a racist term derived as a derogatory	seabeyond	Feb 2012	#157
yes. it is. that is why i didnt use it. and then i did research on spade for spade because of	seabeyond	Feb 2012	#144
Yes, there are people on DU that say the phrase is racist.	tammywammy	Feb 2012	#150
yet FACT would argue what some people think. but, i recognize we have had this discussion on our	seabeyond	Feb 2012	#152
What are your thoughts on the words "cunt" and "bitch"?	redqueen	Feb 2012	#139
yes i've called out name-calling in all kinds of forms	CreekDog	Feb 2012	#158
I'm sorry, but the notion that "call a spade a spade"	iverglas	Feb 2012	#140
and now in other news ... well they ain't gonna have iverglas to kick around for a while!	iverglas	Feb 2012	#178
oh no! i hope you get better quickly.	Scout	Feb 2012	#179
Why lie? Your photo is jacked from the Internet	Whoa_Nelly	Feb 2012	#187
Have you ever broke your stock photo?	LeftyMom	Feb 2012	#188
.............	Whoa_Nelly	Feb 2012	#189
Depending on where you live, yes, "to call a spade a spade" would have racial overtones	justiceischeap	Feb 2012	#127
we understand. if you will google the saying, you would know that spade for spade was established	seabeyond	Feb 2012	#132
Well, it's a common turn of phrase here in Australia and has been for ages...	Violet_Crumble	Feb 2012	#171
well why don't you tell me?	iverglas	Feb 2012	#119
This post was hidden by jury decision.	seabeyond	Feb 2012	#120
ha,yeah	iverglas	Feb 2012	#123
+1	ellisonz	Feb 2012	#176
thanks for that! (nt)	iverglas	Feb 2012	#177
You're welcome.	ellisonz	Feb 2012	#180
disagreeing with Iverglas is breaking the rules of the forum?	CreekDog	Feb 2012	#124
calling her a bigot for saying spade a spade. the hostility of your post. false claims	seabeyond	Feb 2012	#125
you see NOTHING beyond the nose on your face, and i'm not too sure about that.	Scout	Feb 2012	#126
for taking iverglas to task over what many call a racial slur	CreekDog	Feb 2012	#128
Who calls that a racial slur?	redqueen	Feb 2012	#135
y'know actually	iverglas	Feb 2012	#143
Oh right, good point. I missed the start of it.	redqueen	Feb 2012	#146
another point. not about objectionable pageant because every person that had issue stated FIRST	seabeyond	Feb 2012	#151
Ha yes, I'm probably the only one who is so militant about that stuff.	redqueen	Feb 2012	#154
we have defended four gay WOMEN and we have been attacked for each one.	seabeyond	Feb 2012	#147
Well I am one person (but I guess you're saying my opinion doesn't count as your ONE DUer)	CreekDog	Feb 2012	#161
Are you fucking serious?	redqueen	Feb 2012	#164
The use of the word and/or the specific term is unwise	CreekDog	Feb 2012	#165
The use is problematic, I already agreed elsewhere about that...	redqueen	Feb 2012	#166
I didn't call that poster a bigot --nope.	CreekDog	Feb 2012	#167
Oh yes, that's right... that's you not knowing the context - again.	redqueen	Feb 2012	#169
And ah yes, priorities. I ignored this part because it is patently untrue.	redqueen	Feb 2012	#168
This post was hidden by jury decision.	iverglas	Feb 2012	#186
+1 !	Vanje	Feb 2012	#170
No, but turning up just to have a go at a member of this group sure is...	Violet_Crumble	Feb 2012	#172
i never used the term "Pearl Clutcher"	CreekDog	Feb 2012	#129
ummm..... you really did not read iverglas's posts before going into your rant and criticism?	seabeyond	Feb 2012	#130
well i quoted her other posts	CreekDog	Feb 2012	#133
pearlclutcher, post 115. fuckin bigots by prism, post 116. misrepresented	seabeyond	Feb 2012	#136
This message was self-deleted by its author	redqueen	Feb 2012	#137
I read them, I did not memorize them	CreekDog	Feb 2012	#162
you didnt address the accusation of bigotry with pearl clutching. you didnt address the people in	seabeyond	Feb 2012	#163
something I'd also just like to point out	iverglas	Feb 2012	#122
You're saying you have never used the "alert" function?	CreekDog	Feb 2012	#138
are you saying that you don't tell the truth	iverglas	Feb 2012	#145
do you have any intention of participating for the group according to the group's stated purpose	seabeyond	Feb 2012	#149
of course I am following the rules and as host, if this discussion is against them	CreekDog	Feb 2012	#159
Point me to the rule that says it's okay to appear out of the blue and abuse a member of this group.	Violet_Crumble	Feb 2012	#173
need a quote of what you're talking about.	CreekDog	Feb 2012	#174
Here ya go...	Violet_Crumble	Feb 2012	#175

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