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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #33)

Thu May 3, 2012, 11:55 AM

41. Jeopardizing chances?

And you are jeopardizing the chances of getting them to accept a two-state solution by insisting, as your post above does, on making the sovereignty of a future Palestinian state provisional and subject to revocation.

The reality is that the sovereignty of any state is provisional. Aside from civil wars if a state attacks another state (i.e. aggression), that state can lose it's sovereignty if its target has the ability to defend itself - just as Germany's Third Reich and Tojo's Japan did as a result of starting WWII. Sovereignty was granted later, provisionally and under occupation, to new national governments. But only when the West was completely satisfied that those governments showed clearly for many years in deed and action that they had both the will and ability to run themselves as true democracies and had absolutely no intentions of restarting the earlier conflict that they started.

If the UN had treated the Arab League and Palestinians in the wake of the '48 war in that same sensible way the Palestinians would have had their state for decades by now and would probably have been the first actual Arab democracy. It's hard to fathom why the UN was content to abandon Israel to the Arabs after the 1948 war and not intervene to eliminate the possibility of future wars over Palestine - - to say nothing of abandoning the Palestinian refugees to the dictates of Arab league demands and even setting up a UN agency to administer it for them. Well, maybe not so hard.

BTW in my comment above I clearly stated that I did see the two state option as the only realistic long term solution. I also said that it requires good faith and belief in that solution by both sides in the conflict. Especially in this case by the Arab side which has never even remotely accepted it except, even for Western audiences, with qualifying words. This while they assure their Arab listeners that it's only a step along the way to their real goal. It's like the parole board giving a murderer his freedom even though he continuously confides to the other inmates that after he's out he'll continue his killing spree. Don't you think that parole requires at least some indication that the convict has rehabilitated and won't jump back into a life of crime repeating his past capital offenses?

In case you find this analogy distasteful - - yes, attacking Israel in 1948 was a capital offense. As was 1967, 1973, 1982, 2000 (2nd Intifada), 2006 (2nd Lebanon), 2008 (Gaza).

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