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In the discussion thread: Paul Krugman: ‘Israeli government policies are a form of national suicide’ [View all]

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:08 PM

shira (18,019 posts)

46. Once again we see that when you can't defend your argument, the debate is over.

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I understand you can't defend Krugman and Beinart. It's impossible for any objective person to defend half-truths and lies by omission.

I forgot to mention before, but as to your last post before this I'm wondering what the goal is for you. Okay, more and more people are coming out against Israel. What's the end game? End of settlements and occupation? 2 states for 2 people? End to Israel? What exactly?

See, I'm not really getting why you're defending Mondoweiss, Finkelstein, and now Beinart and Krugman. Mondoweiss is against Israel's existence altogether. Finkelstein at least calls out the Mondoweiss crowd for the cultists they are and says 2 states must be the goal. Beinart and Krugman sell themselves as pro-Israel Zionists. I could go further to liberal Zionists who criticize Israel but not enough for your tastes.

So what do these guys all have in common to you, that you'll defend each one?

Is it just that they criticize Israel?

You'll defend anyone who does that, right?

They all have different expectations and are looking for different end games. What is your primary aim WRT criticism of Israel in any form, no matter how vile? What's the goal?

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59 replies	Author	Time	Post
Paul Krugman: ‘Israeli government policies are a form of national suicide’ [View all]	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	OP
The Crisis of Zionism: Six Questions for Peter Beinart by Scott Horton	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#1
Thank you Paul for being honest about the realities of the present decision	MindMover	Apr 2012	#2
But... But... But... God gave us this land!	longship	Apr 2012	#3
Paul Krugman: “Israel’s Economy is One of the Happy Stories”	oberliner	Apr 2012	#4
Oh boy. Now we get to hear all about how Paul Krugman is an anti-semite.	Crunchy Frog	Apr 2012	#5
The pre-emptive "now they will call him an anti-semite" strike	oberliner	Apr 2012	#6
Well, it definitely happens on DU.	Crunchy Frog	Apr 2012	#23
Well I think we can agree that there is some overlap	oberliner	Apr 2012	#27
Yes, I definitely think there is some overlap,	Crunchy Frog	Apr 2012	#49
It is interesting that he said this is one reason he does not speak about the subject much at all.	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#7
You should have seen some of the incredible attacks on Glenn Greenwald	Crunchy Frog	Apr 2012	#24
Greenwald won't back down regardless and although he is Jewish, he does not carry the weight	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#55
Yes, I agree about Greenwald not being as influential as Krugman	Crunchy Frog	Apr 2012	#57
I'm disappointed with Krugman. He defends deliberate liars like Peter Beinart....	shira	Apr 2012	#8
What reason would Krugman have to defend Beinart..if it is so obvious to you that	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#9
Exactly. Why lie deliberately? And why defend such lies? Good question...	shira	Apr 2012	#10
You believe Krugman is lying on behalf of the deliberate liar Beinart and that	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#11
First, you need to recognize lies for what they are....	shira	Apr 2012	#13
I'm delfecting? LOL This thread is about Paul Krugman's endorsement of the book	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#14
Then let's go right to the article. Krugman writes WRT criticizing Israel...	shira	Apr 2012	#15
I asked you why do you believe Krugman would support the deliberate liar Beinart, your words.	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#17
Before I answer, realize that you very rarely directly address questions to you...	shira	Apr 2012	#18
Address what lies? YOU believe they're lies, I believe they hold an opinion worth	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#20
An opinion that conveniently leaves out facts in order to criticize unfairly is propaganda.	shira	Apr 2012	#30
They're lies to you and as I have said, the lack of support Israeli policies	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#37
So lies by omission are not lies in your opinion, right?	shira	Apr 2012	#39
No, you forget it, and go play your silly game alone. n/t	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#43
Once again we see that when you can't defend your argument, the debate is over.	shira	Apr 2012	#46
The deep irony of your post is appreciated, at least by me. n/t	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#50
The difference b/w us is that I have no problem defending my views & answering questions	shira	Apr 2012	#59
Is it your claim that Beinart has not received criticism for his political views on Israel? The	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#19
I claim no one credible has said Beinart is antisemitic, as Krugman inferred...	shira	Apr 2012	#31
Then you don't know what "tantamount to" means, as he has used it. As for the remainder of your post	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#35
No, you don't know what it means. Tantamount to antisemitism means equivalent to...	shira	Apr 2012	#36
You're something else, you know that? Of course it applies, and could you at least	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#38
So give me an example. Who has virtually called Beinart an anti-Semite...	shira	Apr 2012	#40
Tom Friedman, Joe Klein,	Crunchy Frog	Apr 2012	#51
Also getting harder to claim that "The Lobby" silences criticism of Israel	oberliner	Apr 2012	#52
lol, no, oberliner, their job is merely becoming increasingly more difficult via individuals	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#54
Or that they're becoming somewhat more impotent in the face of "facts on the ground".	Crunchy Frog	Apr 2012	#58
While Beinart COULD be deliberately lying, Martin Sherman's words cannot be taken as evidence for	LeftishBrit	Apr 2012	#33
So what if he's rightwing? He is, but that has zero to do with the facts....	shira	Apr 2012	#34
Yes, some people who claim to be leftists have hard-right views, or support those who do	LeftishBrit	Apr 2012	#53
By that reasoning, Mondoweiss should rate even worse than Sherman...	shira	Apr 2012	#56
Thank you for reminding me	Crunchy Frog	Apr 2012	#25
Anyone who enjoys smearing and libeling Israel will enjoy his book. n/t	shira	Apr 2012	#32
Israels economic preformance and its diplomatic military policy preformances	azurnoir	Apr 2012	#12
I know, lol. You may find this amusing too, the last paragraph in particular.	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#16
Very true	oberliner	Apr 2012	#21
Sadly, I believe that is highly unlikely to occur from within Bibi. n/t	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#22
What will new elections bring?	oberliner	Apr 2012	#26
I am hopeful the Palestinians will push their message through loud enough	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#42
Netanyahu's ears seem more tuned to notes sung by his coalition	azurnoir	Apr 2012	#45
I think he has specially designed headphones or something.	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#48
Well, I've been making a similar argument here for ten years or so.	bemildred	Apr 2012	#28
I enjoy your posts.	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#41
One in a long line of Cassandras, him & me both.	bemildred	Apr 2012	#44
A powerful piece and quite thoughtful. I imagine he was motivated in part, by the nightmare tactics	Jefferson23	Apr 2012	#47
The ‘bravery’ of Beinart, and Krugman	oberliner	Apr 2012	#29

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