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Judi Lynn

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Tue Oct 7, 2014, 10:31 PM Oct 2014

We Called It Genocide in Guatemala. Why Not in Gaza Too? [View all]

We Called It Genocide in Guatemala. Why Not in Gaza Too?

Even some critics of Israel bristled when its recent attacks on Gaza were called "genocidal." But a closer look reveals disturbing parallels with genocides past.

By Patricia Davis, October 7, 2014.

In Israel’s recent assault on Gaza, 70 percent of those killed were civilians.

Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas has accused Israel of genocide. And he has company. The National Lawyers Guild, the Center for Constitutional Rights, the American Jurists Association, and other legal organizations have asked an International Criminal Court prosecutor to investigate Israel for war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide. A lawsuit filed in federal court in Buenos Aires also accuses Israel of genocide.

The accusation has outraged many. As historian Deborah Lipstadt puts it, “People might totally disagree with all aspects of Israeli policy towards the Palestinians—including those in Gaza—but to call this a genocide is to distort both what was done to Jews during World War II and what is being done to Palestinians today.” According to Lipstadt, “Calling what was done in Gaza a genocide is to use the Holocaust memory, symbolism, and imagery for political purposes.”

Michael Lerner, editor of Tikkun magazine, is no proponent of the “g” word either. “What Israel is doing is bad enough,” he wrote, “without trying to fit it into a category which brings up memories of real genocides—the attempt of the Nazis to wipe out every Jew and every gay person and every gypsy, the attempt of American settlers to wipe out every Native American, etc.” But genocide does not require an attempt to eliminate an entire people. It requires an intent to destroy a population “in whole or in part.” And mass annihilations of the kind Lerner mentions are not the only genocides on record.

A more relevant comparison is the Guatemalan army’s genocide of Mayan indigenous people. For decades, Guatemala was engaged in a long, asymmetric war against a small guerrilla army that, like Hamas, never presented a serious threat to the ultimate power structure and emerged in response to inequality and dispossession. Last year a court in Guatemala ruled that former Guatemalan general Efraín Ríos Montt was responsible for genocide when the army he commanded killed 1,771 Ixil Mayans, wiping out 5.5 percent of the Ixil Maya population in 17 months.

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http://fpif.org/called-genocide-guatemala-gaza/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=called-genocide-guatemala-gaza

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No kidding. I totally agree. gopiscrap Oct 2014 #1
This vulgar and random statement is beneath you elias7 Oct 2014 #9
Guatemala oberliner Oct 2014 #2
Our own corporate media was more than willing to cover it all up for US American citizens. Judi Lynn Oct 2014 #4
Thank you for adding this newfie11 Oct 2014 #8
There is no comparison oberliner Oct 2014 #34
+1 King_David Oct 2014 #36
It's not genocide because calling it genocide hurts the feelings of syndicated pundits Scootaloo Oct 2014 #3
Why not indeed? tech3149 Oct 2014 #5
Recommend. Thank you, Judi Lynn. n/t Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #6
Israel was actually deeply involved in Guatemala since Laugerud García MisterP Oct 2014 #7
K&R Scuba Oct 2014 #10
There is a clue in your post hack89 Oct 2014 #11
The fact that Palestinian population has grown is irrelevant. DanTex Oct 2014 #12
War is tough on societies hack89 Oct 2014 #13
Sure, but that has nothing to do with the "genocide" question. DanTex Oct 2014 #14
A slow motion conflict with low death tolls and an expanding population strains the definition hack89 Oct 2014 #15
I tend to agree that "genocide" is too strong a term. DanTex Oct 2014 #18
But that's the point. It's to slander, slime, & target Israel.... shira Oct 2014 #19
Actually, it's a difference of opinion. DanTex Oct 2014 #20
No it's not. Take the Lancet open letter for example... shira Oct 2014 #21
Well, I don't see it that way. Another difference of opinion. DanTex Oct 2014 #22
Of course you don't. And you cannot justify your position. n/t shira Oct 2014 #23
Of course I can justify it. I already did, in fact. DanTex Oct 2014 #24
A human rights expert who cannot condemn Hamas rockets, describing the terror org.... shira Oct 2014 #25
The article isn't about Hamas. DanTex Oct 2014 #26
It never is, is it? Israel's military response cannot be explained reasonably.... shira Oct 2014 #27
Some articles are, just not this one. DanTex Oct 2014 #28
When the civilian to combatant ratio is close to 1:1, which is better.... shira Oct 2014 #29
Israel's numbers, right? DanTex Oct 2014 #30
Israel's numbers were accurate in 2008-09 against competing claims.... shira Oct 2014 #31
Well, we're gonna have to agree to disagree again. DanTex Oct 2014 #32
Israeli policy of the last 70 years? oberliner Oct 2014 #16
70 or so... you know what I meant. DanTex Oct 2014 #17
I do now oberliner Oct 2014 #33
What I think is that it's debatable. DanTex Oct 2014 #35
I realize that you think that oberliner Oct 2014 #37
What do you think motivated the author of this OP? DanTex Oct 2014 #38
What do you think is the motivation for most of the hate toward Israel ? King_David Oct 2014 #39
There is bigotry and hate on both sides of this issue, but that's not what I'm discussing here. DanTex Oct 2014 #40
That was a very reasonable civil response to me, King_David Oct 2014 #41
Thank you KD. DanTex Oct 2014 #43
There's no evidence she's a bigot. No one claims that here... shira Oct 2014 #42
Honestly, I don't see that either. DanTex Oct 2014 #44
It's difficult being accepted among fellow leftists.... shira Oct 2014 #45
There's no evidence of that either. To you, anyone with any concern about human rights is a DanTex Oct 2014 #46
There is if you read her piece. Her diatribe on America.... shira Oct 2014 #47
Wow. So now you're in favor of US backed death squads in Central America. DanTex Oct 2014 #48
I never said that. Battling straw men is your thing, right? n/t shira Oct 2014 #49
Yes, but you implied it. In the article she talks about US involvement in Guatemala, DanTex Oct 2014 #50
No I didn't. I recognize far left, isolationist right rhetoric..... shira Oct 2014 #51
Yes, and to you rhetoric opposing US involvement in Central American atrocities is "far left". DanTex Oct 2014 #52
Sigh. I don't support American atrocities anywhere.... shira Oct 2014 #54
But that's the only possible interpretation of your accusation. DanTex Oct 2014 #55
The term "genocide" is all about propaganda. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #53
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